1 00:01:00,140 --> 00:01:02,060 马基雅维利就是个软蛋 Machiavelli was a pussy. 2 00:01:05,020 --> 00:01:09,150 他的著作提供了如何玩转政治游戏的路线图 His writings provide a road map on how to play the game of politics 3 00:01:09,230 --> 00:01:13,070 使用欺骗、残暴和犯罪作为工具 with tools of deception, cruelty, and crime. 4 00:01:15,450 --> 00:01:17,660 他的教训已经被分析烂了 His lessons have been analyzed to death 5 00:01:17,740 --> 00:01:20,370 被许多政治混混研究过 包括我 by many political hacks, including me. 6 00:01:22,620 --> 00:01:26,120 但我始终认为这个流亡的政治顾问 But I always viewed this exiled political consultant 7 00:01:26,210 --> 00:01:27,370 是个懦弱的士兵 as a weak soldier. 8 00:01:28,830 --> 00:01:32,500 我在俄亥俄州从政近40年 I spent nearly 40 years working in politics in Ohio. 9 00:01:33,460 --> 00:01:37,380 见识过贿赂、犯罪、高层领导的个人丑闻 I learned of bribes, crimes, personal scandals 10 00:01:37,470 --> 00:01:40,100 在俄亥俄州政府的最高层 at the top leadership of Ohio's government. 11 00:01:41,140 --> 00:01:44,390 有些是该州最受爱戴的公务员 Some of the state's most beloved public servants. 12 00:01:45,930 --> 00:01:49,400 更重要的是 我知道如何保守他们的秘密 More important, I knew how to keep their secrets. 13 00:01:51,150 --> 00:01:55,110 直到FBI决定终结我的职业生涯 That was until the FBI chose to end my career. 14 00:01:55,860 --> 00:01:57,780 突发新闻 这被称为 Breaking news in what's being called 15 00:01:57,860 --> 00:02:01,120 俄亥俄州史上最大贿赂案 the largest bribery case in Ohio history. 16 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,950 五人面临敲诈勒索指控 Five men facing charges of racketeering. 17 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,330 涉案金额高达6100万美元 We're talking about $61 million worth of bribes. 18 00:02:08,410 --> 00:02:09,960 指控称这些钱被输送到 The accusation is that money 19 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,130 一家黑钱公司 was funneled to a dark money company. 20 00:02:12,210 --> 00:02:14,920 -黑钱... -黑钱 秘密资金... -Dark money... -Dark money, secret money... 21 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,510 一家501(c)(4)非营利性黑钱组织 A 501(c)(4) nonprofit dark money group. 22 00:02:17,590 --> 00:02:19,470 这明显是腐败文化 It's clearly a culture of corruption. 23 00:02:19,550 --> 00:02:21,340 烂到骨子里了 Corrupt to the core. 24 00:02:27,730 --> 00:02:32,020 现在我不再觉得有必要替人保守秘密 Now I no longer feel the need to keep people's secrets. 25 00:02:34,020 --> 00:02:37,070 卸下这个职业生涯的重担后 Relieved from this career-long burden, 26 00:02:37,150 --> 00:02:38,860 是时候分享了 it's time for me to share. 27 00:02:39,700 --> 00:02:41,110 而且我会尽情分享 And share I will. 28 00:02:42,370 --> 00:02:44,580 西西里人从不健忘 A Sicilian never forgets. 29 00:02:47,620 --> 00:02:48,830 我是尼尔·克拉克 I'm Neil Clark. 30 00:02:49,790 --> 00:02:51,420 是个说客 I'm a lobbyist. 31 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:14,060 尼尔·克拉克的尸体在佛罗里达州 Neil Clark's body was found in a field 32 00:03:14,150 --> 00:03:16,400 博尼塔泉市家附近的田野里被发现 near his home in Bonita Springs, Florida. 33 00:03:20,860 --> 00:03:23,320 死因是头部中弹 He had died from a gunshot wound to the head. 34 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,320 是谋杀吗？ Was it murder? 35 00:03:25,910 --> 00:03:27,700 警方说是自杀 The police said it was suicide. 36 00:03:29,580 --> 00:03:31,500 自杀永远是个谜 Suicide is always a riddle. 37 00:03:32,420 --> 00:03:34,960 人为什么要结束自己的生命？ Why does someone take his own life? 38 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,170 这个谜团有些线索 There were clues to that mystery, 39 00:03:37,250 --> 00:03:39,840 但引发的疑问比答案更多 but they raised more questions than they answered. 40 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,640 为什么他穿着印有州长迈克·德温 Why was he wearing a campaign t-shirt for Mike DeWine, 41 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,140 竞选标志的T恤？ Ohio's governor? 42 00:03:45,890 --> 00:03:47,930 除了悲痛欲绝的家人 And aside from his grieving family, 43 00:03:48,510 --> 00:03:50,180 他还留下了什么？ what had he left behind? 44 00:03:52,020 --> 00:03:54,690 他的讣告开头是一个来自贫民区 His obituary led with a portrait of a poor kid 45 00:03:54,770 --> 00:03:56,190 穷孩子的肖像 from a tough neighborhood. 46 00:03:57,190 --> 00:03:59,320 他长大后成为慷慨的居家好男人 He grew up to be a generous family man 47 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,150 业余时间用碎玻璃制作马赛克 who spent his spare time making mosaics from broken glass. 48 00:04:07,370 --> 00:04:09,410 但他的回忆录讲述的是另一个故事 His memoir told a different story. 49 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,250 一个有着一连串难听绰号的硬汉： A tough guy with a string of nasty nicknames: 50 00:04:13,330 --> 00:04:16,080 "教父"、"黑暗王子" "Godfather," "Prince of Darkness," 51 00:04:16,170 --> 00:04:17,290 "混蛋" "Prick." 52 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,510 我愿意突破界限 钻规则空子 耍阴招 I was willing to push the envelope, bend the rules, play unfair, 53 00:04:22,590 --> 00:04:24,840 确保任何挡我路的人 and make sure anyone who got in my way 54 00:04:24,930 --> 00:04:27,390 都会遭到不成比例的惩罚 received disproportionate punishment. 55 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:31,060 我从不回头 只顾向前 I never looked back, just kept moving forward. 56 00:04:34,690 --> 00:04:37,980 我在电话窃听和随身窃听器里 I heard his voice on phone taps and body-wires. 57 00:04:38,060 --> 00:04:39,570 (尼尔·克拉克)每个政客都需要有个 (NEIL CLARK) Every politician's got to have somebody 58 00:04:39,650 --> 00:04:40,650 "打手" that is the "hitman." 59 00:04:40,730 --> 00:04:43,490 (尼尔·克拉克)都得有个能... (NEIL CLARK) Everybody's got to have that person that will... 60 00:04:44,650 --> 00:04:46,360 (尼尔·克拉克)出去干脏活的人 (NEIL CLARK) go out there and do the dirty shit. 61 00:04:46,910 --> 00:04:49,200 后来我发现了一系列深夜 Then I discovered a series of late-night, 62 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:51,450 坦白视频日记 tell-all video diaries. 63 00:04:51,540 --> 00:04:56,250 你好 今天是2020年7月26日 Hello, today is July 26th, 2020. 64 00:04:56,330 --> 00:04:57,920 我叫尼尔·克拉克 My name is Neil Clark. 65 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:01,210 这些视频的目的是 The purpose of these videos 66 00:05:01,300 --> 00:05:06,010 重新梳理我生命中的一些事件 is to kind of recast some of my life events. 67 00:05:06,590 --> 00:05:10,970 我不打算为自己人生的每个方面辩解 I'm not going to try to justify every aspect of my life. 68 00:05:11,060 --> 00:05:14,600 我只想呈现 I'm going to put forth 69 00:05:14,740 --> 00:05:15,770 我是如何看待这些事件的 how I saw these events occurring. 70 00:05:15,770 --> 00:05:18,560 克拉克的每个侧面都截然不同 Every facet of Clark had a different look. 71 00:05:19,110 --> 00:05:21,150 有什么方法能理解这一切吗？ Was there a way to make sense of it all? 72 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,740 他想从坟墓那边告诉我们什么？ What was he trying to tell us from beyond the grave? 73 00:05:26,860 --> 00:05:30,120 我在想 导致克拉克自杀的丑闻 I wondered if the scandal that led Clark to take his own life 74 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,620 是否是美国政治中新型腐败的一部分 was part of a new kind of corruption in American politics. 75 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,750 作为说客 克拉克以交易为生 As a lobbyist, Clark traded favors for a living. 76 00:05:37,290 --> 00:05:39,880 但我怀疑他是否迷失在 But I wondered if he'd gotten lost in confusion 77 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,300 对合法与非法的困惑中 over what was legal and what was not. 78 00:05:44,380 --> 00:05:46,420 2010年 最高法院 In 2010, the Supreme Court, 79 00:05:46,510 --> 00:05:49,180 通过"联合公民"案的裁决 through a decision called Citizens United, 80 00:05:49,260 --> 00:05:52,390 打开了金钱涌入美国政治的闸门 opened the floodgates of money into American politics. 81 00:05:53,140 --> 00:05:56,480 15年后 边缘组织可以将数十亿资金 Fifteen years later, fringe groups could bundle billions 82 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,730 注入秘密资金池 阻碍民权 into secret slush funds to frustrate popular rule. 83 00:06:01,230 --> 00:06:05,740 在俄亥俄州 黑钱的诱惑让克拉克陷入 In Ohio, the lure of dark money had led Clark into a tangled web 84 00:06:05,820 --> 00:06:09,280 宗教、贿赂和政治腐败的迷网 of religion, bribes, and political corruption. 85 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,750 我到俄亥俄州追踪克拉克故事那天 The day I arrived in Ohio to follow Clark's story, 86 00:06:15,830 --> 00:06:18,790 州议会大厦正有关于堕胎权 there was a protest in the Capitol about abortion 87 00:06:18,870 --> 00:06:20,750 和女性选择权的抗议 and a woman's right to choose. 88 00:06:21,420 --> 00:06:23,380 -谁的议会？ -我们的议会！ -Whose house? -Our house! 89 00:06:23,460 --> 00:06:25,090 -谁的议会？ -我们的议会！ -Whose house? -Our house! 90 00:06:25,170 --> 00:06:26,880 -谁的议会？ -我们的议会！ -Whose house? -Our house! 91 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,630 -谁的议会？ -我们的议会！ -Whose house? -Our house! 92 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:29,930 谁的议会？ Whose house? 93 00:06:30,010 --> 00:06:32,720 俄亥俄州超过60%的选民 More than 60% of voters in Ohio 94 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,600 认为在大多数情况下堕胎应该合法 believe that abortion should be legal in most cases. 95 00:06:36,270 --> 00:06:37,930 但今天他们很沮丧 But on this day, they're frustrated 96 00:06:38,020 --> 00:06:40,560 因为州议员们充耳不闻 because Ohio's lawmakers aren't listening. 97 00:06:40,650 --> 00:06:43,360 反而通过了全国最严苛的 Instead, they've passed one of the most restrictive 98 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,440 反堕胎法案之一 anti-abortion laws in the nation. 99 00:06:48,110 --> 00:06:50,110 请与我一起低头祷告 Would you bow in prayer with me? 100 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,370 主啊 坐在这个议事厅里的人都是您的仆人 Lord, those who sit in this chamber are your servants 101 00:06:53,450 --> 00:06:56,870 肩负着治理俄亥俄州伟大子民 and have been assigned the task of governing the citizens 102 00:06:56,950 --> 00:07:00,210 的重任 我祈求... living in the great state of Ohio. I ask... 103 00:07:00,290 --> 00:07:02,420 俄亥俄州的共和党人 Ohio Republicans pay little attention 104 00:07:02,500 --> 00:07:04,880 对远处抗议者的呼声置若罔闻 to the distant cries of the protesters. 105 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,340 多亏了政治版图的操纵 Thanks to a rigging of the political map, 106 00:07:07,420 --> 00:07:10,380 反对堕胎的共和党人 Republicans, who all oppose abortion, 107 00:07:10,470 --> 00:07:13,720 控制了议会68%的席位 control 68% of the seats in the chamber. 108 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,260 远超他们实际得票率 Way more than their share of the popular vote. 109 00:07:16,350 --> 00:07:18,180 -阿门 -阿门 -Amen. -Amen. 110 00:07:19,020 --> 00:07:21,810 今天我们聚集在此讨论堕胎问题 Today, we're here about abortion. 111 00:07:21,890 --> 00:07:24,730 此刻 这个机构已被认定为 At this moment, this body has been deemed 112 00:07:24,810 --> 00:07:26,900 全国最腐败的州议会 the most corrupt statehouse in the nation. 113 00:07:27,780 --> 00:07:30,740 这个机构毫无作为 毫无作为 This body has done nothing, nothing, 114 00:07:30,820 --> 00:07:32,240 在州史上最大贿赂丑闻后 to regain the public trust 115 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,990 没有采取任何行动重建公众信任 after the largest bribery scandal this state has seen. 116 00:07:35,070 --> 00:07:37,240 这个机构拒绝遵守 This is a body that has refused to adhere 117 00:07:37,330 --> 00:07:38,870 本州最高法院的命令 to our state's highest court, 118 00:07:38,950 --> 00:07:40,870 要求我们为人民而非政客 which ordered us to draw maps 119 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,290 重新划分选区 for the people and not politicians. 120 00:07:43,370 --> 00:07:45,290 这不是民主 That is not democracy. 121 00:07:46,250 --> 00:07:49,510 靠着黑钱捐赠者的竞选资金 Flush with campaign cash from dark money donors, 122 00:07:49,590 --> 00:07:52,340 反堕胎一方满面春风 the anti-abortion side was all smiles, 123 00:07:53,470 --> 00:07:56,720 就像一支知道比赛被操控的球队 like a team that plays the game knowing the fix is in. 124 00:07:57,890 --> 00:08:01,810 俄亥俄州的情况是 金钱开始涌入 What happens in Ohio is that money starts pouring in, 125 00:08:03,060 --> 00:08:06,610 私人利益接管了州政治 and private interests take over the state's politics. 126 00:08:07,190 --> 00:08:09,980 朋友们 这些不是普通权利 These, my friends, are not ordinary rights. 127 00:08:10,070 --> 00:08:12,700 而是由创造我们的神 Rather, they are rights that are granted to us 128 00:08:12,780 --> 00:08:15,160 而非这个政府机构 not by this government body, 129 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,080 赋予我们的权利 but rather by the God who created us. 130 00:08:18,660 --> 00:08:21,540 这变成了一个根深蒂固 It becomes, like, this very entrenched, 131 00:08:21,620 --> 00:08:25,580 腐败的超级多数派 corrupt supermajority in the state legislature. 132 00:08:27,540 --> 00:08:31,550 一人一票！一人一票！ One person, one vote! One person, one vote! 133 00:08:31,630 --> 00:08:33,170 你们真可耻！ Shame on you, all of you! 134 00:08:34,420 --> 00:08:36,970 公众毫无办法 And the public has no recourse. 135 00:08:37,050 --> 00:08:40,970 一人一票！一人一票！ One person, one vote! One person, one vote! 136 00:08:41,060 --> 00:08:44,480 当我看着议会厅外的抗议者 As I watched the protesters outside the legislative chamber, 137 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:46,980 我好奇为何反堕胎运动 I wondered why the anti-abortion movement 138 00:08:47,060 --> 00:08:48,770 如此财大气粗 was so flush with cash 139 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,240 这些资金如何压制了多数人的意愿 and how that cash had overcome majority rule. 140 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,240 一人一票！ One person, one vote! 141 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,660 一人一票！ One person, one vote! 142 00:08:56,740 --> 00:08:58,620 圣经中马太写道 In the Bible, Matthew wrote 143 00:08:58,700 --> 00:09:01,040 人不能同时侍奉神和金钱 that you cannot serve both God and money. 144 00:09:01,620 --> 00:09:05,460 但在俄亥俄州 共和党找到了两全其美的方法 But in Ohio, the Republican Party found a way to do both. 145 00:09:05,540 --> 00:09:06,540 让我们进去！ Let us in! 146 00:09:06,620 --> 00:09:08,330 让我们进去！ Let us in! 147 00:09:08,420 --> 00:09:09,880 让我们进去！ Let us in! 148 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:11,920 让我们进去！ Let us in! 149 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,010 问题是怎么做到的 The question is how. 150 00:09:22,180 --> 00:09:23,810 我在俄亥俄州长大 I grew up in Ohio. 151 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,810 一直对法律感兴趣 I've always been interested in the law, 152 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:30,730 当然还有社会 and, obviously, society, 153 00:09:30,820 --> 00:09:35,490 以及各种力量对社会的影响 and the impact of different forces on society. 154 00:09:37,490 --> 00:09:39,620 记得六年级时 When I was, I think, in sixth grade, 155 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,660 我们讨论税收问题 we were talking about taxation. 156 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:45,410 有个女生说 One gal said, 156 00:09:45,500 --> 00:09:48,620 "要是你家没孩子上学 "Well, you shouldn't have 就不该交教育税" to pay taxes for schools 157 00:09:48,710 --> 00:09:50,590 我当即反驳道： if you don't have kids in school." 158 00:09:50,670 --> 00:09:56,380 "全民教育惠及千家万户" And I said, "Well, everybody benefits from an educated population." 159 00:09:57,010 --> 00:10:00,850 六年级老师听完对我说 And my sixth grade teacher said, 160 00:10:00,930 --> 00:10:03,680 "你该去当律师" 于是... "You ought to be a lawyer." And so... 161 00:10:05,180 --> 00:10:08,690 后来我不仅当上律师 I became Chief Justice 还做了12年 of the Ohio Supreme Court 162 00:10:08,770 --> 00:10:11,270 俄亥俄最高法院首席大法官 and spent 12 years in that position. 163 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,610 虽然我是注册共和党人 I'm a registered Republican, 164 00:10:14,690 --> 00:10:16,610 但绝不当党派法官 but I'm not a Republican judge. 165 00:10:16,690 --> 00:10:18,740 常对人们说 You know, I always say to people, 166 00:10:18,820 --> 00:10:20,530 "把政治立场带进法庭的 "If you bring your politics into the courtroom, 167 00:10:20,620 --> 00:10:21,910 不配坐审判席" you don't belong on the bench." 168 00:10:26,450 --> 00:10:29,250 俄亥俄并非绝对红州 Ohio is not a supermajority state. 169 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,420 有人说俄亥俄人都是共和党 And when people say all Ohioans are Republican, 170 00:10:38,510 --> 00:10:41,180 纯属无稽之谈 that's not true. You know, that's not true. 171 00:10:45,510 --> 00:10:48,520 俄亥俄州长期被视为摇摆州 Ohio's long been considered kind of purple, 172 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,560 但逐渐偏向共和党 but trending a slightly red state. 173 00:10:52,650 --> 00:10:56,360 但"公民联合"案后情况急转直下 But things change really fast after Citizens United. 174 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,410 今晨我们首先关注最高法院裁决 We begin this morning with the Supreme Court ruling 175 00:11:01,490 --> 00:11:05,030 将带来竞选资金重大变革 that means major changes in political campaign finance. 176 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,160 "公民联合"案 The Citizens United case 177 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,120 在2010年1月 comes up in front of the Supreme Court 178 00:11:09,210 --> 00:11:11,080 提交至最高法院 in January of 2010, 179 00:11:11,170 --> 00:11:14,540 裁定企业有权 and it established that corporations have a right 180 00:11:14,630 --> 00:11:18,590 无限制投入美国政治资金 to spend unlimited amounts of money in American politics. 181 00:11:18,670 --> 00:11:21,090 这是数十年来首次 For the first time in many, many decades, 182 00:11:21,180 --> 00:11:24,890 企业和工会能使用无限资金 corporations and unions will be able to use unlimited funds 183 00:11:24,970 --> 00:11:27,770 以某种方式扭曲政治进程 that will distort the political process in a way 184 00:11:27,850 --> 00:11:32,310 我认为这本质上摧毁了我们的竞选财务法 that I think will essentially destroy our campaign finance laws. 185 00:11:33,310 --> 00:11:35,900 没有任何证据表明 There is not a shred of evidence 186 00:11:35,980 --> 00:11:40,030 企业和工会的参与 that the participation of corporations and labor unions 187 00:11:40,110 --> 00:11:44,030 对我们的民主有腐蚀影响 have had any corrupting effect on our democracy. 188 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,160 我曾深度参与"公民联合"案 I was very involved in Citizens United. 189 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,040 我把案子带到最高法院 获得受理 I took the case to the Supreme Court. I got it accepted. 190 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,250 当然 我们运用了第一修正案 Of course, we were using the First Amendment. 191 00:11:54,380 --> 00:11:56,710 如果你限制言论资金 If you limit the money you can spend on speech, 192 00:11:56,790 --> 00:11:58,250 就是在限制言论自由 you are limiting speech. 193 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,050 如果我有钱 我就能发声 If I have the money, I can speak. 194 00:12:02,130 --> 00:12:03,680 我能买广告 I can buy an ad. 195 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,720 企业如果有钱 A corporation, if they have the money, 196 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,430 就能发声 就能买广告 can speak, and they can buy an ad. 197 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,890 基本上 它允许国内大资本 Basically, what it allowed the big money in the country to do 198 00:12:13,980 --> 00:12:17,520 首次可以随心所欲地 was, for the first time, just spend everything, 199 00:12:17,610 --> 00:12:19,440 想花多少花多少 as much as they wanted, 200 00:12:19,530 --> 00:12:21,530 数亿美元 hundreds of millions of dollars. 201 00:12:21,610 --> 00:12:25,200 只要不直接给候选人 So long as they didn't give the money directly to the candidate, 202 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,450 那会被视为贿赂 which would be considered a bribe. 203 00:12:27,530 --> 00:12:32,120 他们必须建立所谓的独立组织 They had to instead set up so-called independent organizations. 204 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:33,790 就成了超级政治行动委员会 They became super PACs. 205 00:12:35,620 --> 00:12:38,420 名为超级政治行动委员会的政治组织 Political organizations called super PACs 206 00:12:38,500 --> 00:12:41,590 成为选举政客的关键小金库 became key slush funds for electing politicians. 207 00:12:46,090 --> 00:12:49,430 在美国90%的国会选举中 And in 90% of US congressional elections, 208 00:12:49,510 --> 00:12:52,390 花钱最多的候选人 the candidate who spent the most money won. 209 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,230 共和党非常非常聪明 The Republican Party was very, very smart. 210 00:12:56,310 --> 00:12:59,270 他们意识到现在可以 They realized that what they could do, 211 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,400 无限制花钱了 now that they could spend unlimited sums, 212 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,900 就能掌控州议会 was they could take over state legislatures, 213 00:13:03,990 --> 00:13:05,030 这些竞选很便宜 which are cheap. 214 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:07,780 这些竞选确实很便宜 Those are really cheap races. 215 00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:11,990 我们在2010年的俄亥俄州就看到了 And we could see that in Ohio in 2010. 216 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,000 2010年是行动之年 2010 was the year to do it. 217 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,370 这是人口普查年 It's a census year. 218 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,300 这一年州立法选区 That was the year that the state legislative districts 219 00:13:21,380 --> 00:13:25,590 和国会选区由掌权者重新划分 and the congressional districts are redrawn by whoever's in power. 220 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,260 选区重划时 When districts are redrawn, 221 00:13:29,350 --> 00:13:31,260 执政党决定其形状 the party in power determines their shape. 222 00:13:31,930 --> 00:13:34,310 目标是打包和分割 The goal is packing and cracking. 223 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:38,400 把对手塞进少数选区 Pack as many of your opponents in a handful of districts 224 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,900 把其他选区分割成奇怪形状 and crack up all the other districts in weird shapes 225 00:13:41,980 --> 00:13:44,190 不是按地理划分 that are drawn not by geography, 226 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:45,860 而是按党派归属 but by party affiliation. 227 00:13:46,700 --> 00:13:48,660 这叫做杰利蝾螈 That's called gerrymandering. 228 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,160 杰利蝾螈总是产生 Gerrymandering has always produced, 229 00:13:52,830 --> 00:13:55,790 这么说吧 let's say, 230 00:13:56,370 --> 00:13:58,330 形状不规则的选区 irregularly shaped districts. 231 00:13:58,370 --> 00:14:00,170 有个选区被戏称为 You know, there was one that was joked 232 00:14:00,350 --> 00:14:02,050 "湖上之蛇" to be called "the Snake on the Lake." 233 00:14:01,590 --> 00:14:05,380 毫无道理可言 纯粹是杰利蝾螈 There was no rhyme or reason except it was gerrymandered. 234 00:14:06,670 --> 00:14:09,390 这些选区被重划得 What happens is these districts are redrawn 235 00:14:09,470 --> 00:14:13,010 极不公平 in such an egregiously unfair way, 236 00:14:13,100 --> 00:14:16,310 让他们几乎不可能输掉选举 they made it almost impossible for themselves to lose. 237 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,270 选区被政党荒谬地划分后 With districts absurdly drawn by political party, 238 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,110 政客只关注赢得初选 politicians focus only on winning their primaries. 239 00:14:27,150 --> 00:14:30,240 他们没有动力去迎合广泛的公共利益 They have no incentive to appeal to a broad public interest. 240 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,620 他们通过迎合极端和煽动愤怒 They win by catering to extremes and inflaming anger 241 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:36,450 在热点文化议题上获胜 over hot-button cultural issues. 242 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,300 当我刚开始报道立法机构 When I first started covering the legislature 243 00:14:44,380 --> 00:14:46,130 和政治 州政府时 and politics, state government, 244 00:14:46,210 --> 00:14:50,800 有个非正式术语叫"穴居人党团" there was an informal term called "the Caveman Caucus." 245 00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:54,810 指的是一小群 And it was for a smallish group of lawmakers 246 00:14:54,890 --> 00:14:58,180 非常保守的议员 who were very conservative who wanted things like 247 00:15:00,350 --> 00:15:04,570 无证隐蔽持枪 全面禁止堕胎 concealed carry without permits, a complete ban on abortion. 248 00:15:04,650 --> 00:15:07,400 后来这个群体 And then over time, that group, 249 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,910 不再是共和党党团的小分支 it no longer became a smaller subset of the Republican caucus, 250 00:15:11,990 --> 00:15:14,530 而成为共和党党团的主体 it became the majority of the Republican caucus. 251 00:15:15,740 --> 00:15:18,250 在俄亥俄州 极端分子获胜时 In Ohio, when extremists won, 252 00:15:18,330 --> 00:15:20,500 就吸引了大金主的目光 they attracted the attention of big money donors 253 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,330 向他们倾注竞选资金 who showered them with campaign cash. 254 00:15:26,090 --> 00:15:28,010 这是一种新型幕后交易 It was a new kind of backroom deal: 255 00:15:29,550 --> 00:15:31,470 我们资助你们的热点文化议题 we'll fund your hot-button cultural issues 256 00:15:31,550 --> 00:15:32,970 让你们掌权 to keep you in power 257 00:15:33,050 --> 00:15:36,310 如果你们对经济监管睁只眼闭只眼 if you look the other way on economic regulations. 258 00:15:37,220 --> 00:15:40,430 要理解发生了什么 你必须追踪金钱 To understand what was going on, you had to follow the money. 259 00:15:41,890 --> 00:15:44,900 当法院裁决"公民联合"案时 You know, when the court decided Citizens United, 260 00:15:44,980 --> 00:15:47,610 法官们暗示 the justices suggested 261 00:15:47,690 --> 00:15:49,820 这些资金将是透明的 that this money was going to be transparent. 262 00:15:50,740 --> 00:15:54,660 这将成为政治腐败资金的制约 And that would be kind of a check on corrupt money in politics. 263 00:15:57,910 --> 00:16:01,710 但实际情况是 But what happened was that a ton of this money 264 00:16:01,790 --> 00:16:05,330 很快被非营利企业 soon was being spent by nonprofit corporations 265 00:16:05,420 --> 00:16:09,590 称为501(c)(4)组织 可以隐藏资金来源 called 501(c)(4)s, which can hide their funding. 266 00:16:10,210 --> 00:16:12,300 这就是所谓的黑钱 This is known as dark money. 267 00:16:13,090 --> 00:16:15,050 来自匿名捐赠者的钱 Money from anonymous donors. 268 00:16:16,260 --> 00:16:19,350 实际上现在很多政治资金 It actually is impossible to trace a lot of the money 269 00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:20,930 都无法追踪 in politics at this point. 270 00:16:21,020 --> 00:16:22,890 这是故意为之 And that's deliberately so, 271 00:16:22,980 --> 00:16:25,190 因为他们不想让公众知道 because they don't want the public to know 272 00:16:25,270 --> 00:16:27,360 钱从哪里来 因为通常 where it's coming from, because frequently, 273 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,400 他们心怀不轨 they have corrupt intentions. 274 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,240 我有点喜欢"黑"这个词 I kinda like the word "dark." 275 00:16:37,370 --> 00:16:39,540 阴暗的 我不知道阴暗是什么 Shadowy. I don't know what shadowy is. 276 00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:41,200 我现在明白你的意思了 I hear what you're saying now. 277 00:16:41,370 --> 00:16:43,410 我对"黑钱"的问题是 My problem with the "dark money" 278 00:16:43,580 --> 00:16:45,750 没人真正知道那是不报告的... is that nobody really knows that that's an unreported... 279 00:16:45,870 --> 00:16:48,170 你知道 捐赠者不必透露姓名 You know, contributors don't have to report their names. 280 00:16:48,380 --> 00:16:50,210 隐藏秘密的组织... Secret groups that hide... 281 00:16:50,380 --> 00:16:52,970 -秘密组织 秘密捐赠者 Secret groups, secret contributors. 282 00:16:53,130 --> 00:16:54,760 对 我更愿意 Right, that's what I'd rather do is just 283 00:16:54,930 --> 00:16:57,050 确保人们知道有秘密 make sure that people know that there are secret 284 00:16:57,180 --> 00:17:01,020 秘密人士在试图操控我们 secret people who don't know that are trying to tell us what to do. 285 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,360 我1999年加入FBI I joined the FBI in 1999. 286 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,110 主要在巴尔的摩处理腐败和欺诈案件 I primarily worked corruption and fraud matters in Baltimore, Maryland. 287 00:17:13,190 --> 00:17:14,740 2006年有机会 And then in 2006, 288 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,660 调到辛辛那提分局 I had an opportunity to transfer to the Cincinnati division. 289 00:17:17,740 --> 00:17:22,450 FBI意识到州首府也可能滋生腐败 There was a recognition at the FBI that corruption can emanate from our state capitals. 290 00:17:23,870 --> 00:17:26,710 FBI管理层申请 The management at the FBI 291 00:17:26,790 --> 00:17:30,000 调派有反腐经验的探员 applied to bring in agents to Columbus 292 00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:33,090 FBI管理层 who had had prior experience working public corruption matters. 293 00:17:33,170 --> 00:17:37,720 申请调派有反腐经验的探员到哥伦布 We were beginning to utilize undercover agents. 294 00:17:41,970 --> 00:17:44,390 2019年初 In early 2019, 295 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,600 有项调查涉及尼尔·克拉克 there was an investigation going on involving Neil Clark. 296 00:17:50,110 --> 00:17:53,190 尼尔·克拉克在我们的雷达上 Neil Clark was somebody that was on our radar screen 297 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:54,740 作为该州历史上 as one of the most infamous 298 00:17:54,820 --> 00:17:57,700 最臭名昭著最有影响力的说客之一 and powerful lobbyists in the history of the state. 299 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,200 我在这个州建立了名声 I have established a reputation in this state 300 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,160 我不是个好相处的人 that I'm not a very pleasant person to work with. 301 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,710 我竞争手段非常强硬 I compete in a very tough way. 302 00:18:08,330 --> 00:18:12,710 他似乎有客户参与 He seemed to have clients and seemed to be involved 303 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,340 所有热点议题 in all of the hot-button issues 304 00:18:15,420 --> 00:18:17,380 存在利益交换 that there were allegations 305 00:18:17,470 --> 00:18:21,260 或非法活动的指控 of pay-to-play or illegal activity. 306 00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:24,970 我们开始使用卧底探员 We were beginning to utilize undercover agents. 307 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,230 他们假扮商人 They were posing as businessmen. 308 00:18:27,770 --> 00:18:32,310 我们指示他们表现得肮脏 And we gave instructions that they came off as dirty, 309 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,280 愿意违法 as willing to break the law, 310 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:39,030 把商业利益置于他人之上 to push their business interests ahead of others. 311 00:18:39,700 --> 00:18:43,910 (卧底)卧底7760号 (UNDERCOVER) U.C. 7760. 312 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,200 (卧底)与尼尔·克拉克的对话 (UNDERCOVER) Conversation between myself and Neil Clark. 313 00:18:47,660 --> 00:18:48,870 (卧底)兄弟你好吗? (UNDERCOVER) How ya doin' brother? 314 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:50,620 (克拉克)你好吗? (CLARK) How are you? 315 00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:54,000 从某种意义上奏效了 尼尔·克拉克接纳了他们 It worked in the sense that Neil Clark embraced them. 316 00:18:54,290 --> 00:18:55,500 (克拉克)我在这里39年了 (CLARK) I've been here 39 years 317 00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:58,260 (克拉克)所以我知道所有手段 (CLARK) so I know every trick in the book on how we do anything. 318 00:18:58,340 --> 00:19:00,090 克拉克先生是 Mr. Clark was somebody 319 00:19:00,180 --> 00:19:02,720 卧底们非常熟悉的人 that the undercovers became very familiar with. 320 00:19:04,970 --> 00:19:06,970 有人会说他很有魅力 Some people would call him charismatic. 321 00:19:07,060 --> 00:19:10,440 也有人会说 Others would say 322 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,480 (克拉克)我准备好搞垮别人了 (CLARK) I'm ready to fuck people over. 323 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,860 (克拉克)她对我说"你的报复心会害死你" (CLARK) And she said to me, "Your vendettas will kill you." 324 00:19:14,940 --> 00:19:17,900 (克拉克)我说"乔安 报复心让我活着" (CLARK) And I said, "Jo Ann, my vendettas are what keep me alive." 325 00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:20,570 (克拉克)每天早上起床 我就想 (CLARK) Getting up every morning, and I go, 326 00:19:20,650 --> 00:19:21,740 (克拉克)今天要搞死你 I’m going to fuck you today. 327 00:19:22,570 --> 00:19:24,280 (克拉克)我要毁了你的人生 (CLARK) I'm gonna fucking ruin your life. 328 00:19:24,830 --> 00:19:27,580 其他人也会说尼尔·克拉克... Other people also would say that Neil Clark... 329 00:19:33,130 --> 00:19:34,630 满嘴跑火车 was full of shit. 330 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,460 (克拉克)我不想让你觉得我是圣人 (CLARK) I don't want you to think I'm a saint. 331 00:19:37,630 --> 00:19:38,880 (克拉克)我只需要你明白... (CLARK) I just need you to understand that... 332 00:19:40,970 --> 00:19:43,180 (克拉克)我很圣洁 (CLARK) I'm saintly. 333 00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:47,430 探员们保存记录 The agents were saving and recording the conversations 334 00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:49,310 监听中听到的对话 that they were hearing on the wiretap 335 00:19:49,390 --> 00:19:51,980 不仅与调查相关 not only that were pertinent to their investigation, 336 00:19:52,060 --> 00:19:55,560 还可能涉及州议会的非法活动 but that possibly involved illegal activity up at the statehouse. 337 00:19:55,650 --> 00:19:56,770 他们掌握着州议会的内幕 They have no incentive to appeal to a broad public interest. 338 00:19:57,650 --> 00:19:59,900 (克拉克)我不想说他是利益交换的人 (CLARK) I don't wanna say he's a pay-to-play guy, okay? 339 00:20:00,110 --> 00:20:03,660 (克拉克)但他明显受有钱朋友影响 (CLARK) But he's clearly influenced by his friends who have money. 340 00:20:04,530 --> 00:20:06,780 (众议员杰伊·爱德华兹)那你他妈干嘛不去竞选公职? (REP. JAY EDWARDS) Why the hell do you not run for office then? 341 00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:10,120 (克拉克)因为我老爸是个该死的黑帮重罪犯 (CLARK) Cause I'm the son of a fucking convicted felon Mafia guy. 342 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:11,580 (克拉克) 你脑子进水了吗? (CLARK) What are you, out of your mind? 343 00:20:11,660 --> 00:20:14,170 攻击广告都不用想就能自己写出来 (CLARK) The attack ads would just write themselves. 344 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,170 (克拉克)从第一天起,我就选择了做幕后操盘手 (CLARK) From day one, I took the role of being the backroom guy. 345 00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:20,880 (克拉克) 我宁愿当个造王者 (CLARK) I'd rather be a kingmaker. 346 00:20:22,260 --> 00:20:25,050 可以说FBI探员们偶然发现了 (CLARK) It's fair to say that FBI agents stumbled 347 00:20:25,140 --> 00:20:27,220 俄亥俄州史上最大的政治腐败案 (CLARK) onto the biggest case of political corruption 348 00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:28,850 (CLARK) in the history of Ohio. 349 00:20:30,220 --> 00:20:32,980 在调查一名腐败的市议员时 (CLARK) While investigating a corrupt city council member, 350 00:20:33,060 --> 00:20:37,480 戴着窃听器的卧底探员录下了闲聊中 (CLARK) undercover agents wearing wires tapped into idle conversations 351 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,940 揭露出的尼尔·克拉克与俄亥俄州议长 (CLARK) that revealed a potentially corrupt relationship 352 00:20:40,030 --> 00:20:43,700 拉里·豪斯霍尔德之间可能存在的腐败关系 (CLARK) between Neil Clark and the Ohio Speaker, 353 00:20:43,780 --> 00:20:45,070 拉里·豪斯霍尔德 (CLARK) Larry Householder. 354 00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:47,950 (卧底) 议长是个什么样的人? (UNDERCOVER) What's the Speaker like? 355 00:20:48,030 --> 00:20:50,240 (克拉克) 拉里?块头超大。是个狠角色 (CLARK) Who Larry? Huge. Big motherfucker. 356 00:20:50,700 --> 00:20:52,080 (克拉克) 狠角色 (CLARK) Big motherfucker. 357 00:20:52,500 --> 00:20:55,460 (克拉克) 他是个永不停歇的谈判专家 (CLARK) He's just a never-ending negotiator. 358 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,250 (克拉克) 不把你榨干决不罢休 (CLARK) He's gonna fuck you until he wins. 359 00:21:06,050 --> 00:21:08,510 我从来就不信任政客... (CLARK) I never really trusted a politician... 360 00:21:09,850 --> 00:21:14,230 但在1999年初,我同意为豪斯霍尔德提供咨询 (CLARK) but in early 1999, I agreed to consult with Householder. 361 00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:17,480 我是拉里·豪斯霍尔德。代表第78众议院选区 (CLARK) I'm Larry Householder. I represent the 78th House district. 362 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,980 我和妻子以及四个儿子住在 (CLARK) My family, my wife, and my four sons and I reside 363 00:21:21,070 --> 00:21:24,150 佩里县北部的家族农场 (CLARK) at our family farm in the northern part of Perry County. 364 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,530 我带着14年私营企业主的经验 (CLARK) I come here with the experience of 14 years 365 00:21:26,610 --> 00:21:28,030 来到这里 (CLARK) as a private business owner. 366 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:30,200 他看起来已经获得了 (CLARK) He appeared to have the votes needed 367 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,830 成为俄亥俄州下一任众议院议长所需的票数 (CLARK) to be Ohio's next Speaker of the House. 368 00:21:32,910 --> 00:21:34,870 他不需要我的筹款能力 (CLARK) He didn't want my fundraising skills, 369 00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:38,080 而是我的战略建议 (CLARK) but rather my strategic counsel. 370 00:21:38,790 --> 00:21:40,750 俄亥俄州众议院议长 (CLARK) The Speaker of the Ohio House of Representatives, 371 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,550 拉里·豪斯霍尔德发表讲话 (CLARK) Larry Householder, to offer remarks. 372 00:21:43,630 --> 00:21:45,220 今天早上能来到这里 (CLARK) It's truly an honor for me to be here this morning 373 00:21:45,300 --> 00:21:46,590 与我的同事们一起... (CLARK) and to join with my colleagues... 374 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,590 但到了2003年,关于腐败、 (CLARK) But then, stories started to fly in 2003 375 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,140 FBI调查和权钱交易的传闻满天飞 (CLARK) about corruption, an FBI investigation, 376 00:21:53,220 --> 00:21:54,730 和权钱交易 (CLARK) and pay-to-play. 377 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,440 腐败是否会成为11月选举中的主要议题 (CLARK) Does corruption become a major issue 378 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,770 (CLARK) in the November election? 379 00:22:02,570 --> 00:22:03,780 不会 (CLARK) No. 380 00:22:03,860 --> 00:22:04,900 好吧 (CLARK) Okay. 381 00:22:05,740 --> 00:22:08,070 不,它只是主导了三年来的新闻 (CLARK) No, it's only dominated the news for three years. 382 00:22:11,530 --> 00:22:14,040 它登上了每份报纸的头版 - 不 (CLARK) It's been on the front page of every-- No. 383 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:17,830 但与此同时,所有的联邦调查 (CLARK) But in the same breath, all the federal investigations 384 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,380 都一无所获 (CLARK) have netted zero. 385 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,340 这已经是第三年了 (CLARK) This has been three years now 386 00:22:22,420 --> 00:22:25,340 一直在批评豪斯霍尔德和其他人。零收获 (CLARK) worth of criticizing Householder and others. Zero. 387 00:22:26,010 --> 00:22:29,380 好吧。现在,总得有人说... (CLARK) Okay. Now, at a certain point, somebody's got to say... 388 00:22:29,470 --> 00:22:31,800 除了抱怨和说 (CLARK) is-- other than complaining and saying, 389 00:22:31,890 --> 00:22:33,640 "我不喜欢你做生意的方式" (CLARK) "I didn't like how you did business," 390 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,890 和"我不喜欢你这种态度" (CLARK) and, "I don't like how you had the attitude," 391 00:22:35,970 --> 00:22:37,560 犯罪在哪里? (CLARK) where's the crime? 392 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,270 找到犯罪证据才能判刑 (CLARK) You've got to do the time if you can find the crime. 393 00:22:42,110 --> 00:22:43,730 他们没有提出任何指控 (CLARK) They filed no charges. 394 00:22:46,820 --> 00:22:49,610 我和拉里有15年没再说过话 (CLARK) Larry and I wouldn't talk again for 15 years. 395 00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:56,450 到2016年,豪斯霍尔德决定重返俄亥俄州众议院 (CLARK) By 2016, Householder decided to return to the Ohio House. 396 00:22:56,540 --> 00:22:57,540 我接到了电话 (CLARK) I got a call. 397 00:22:59,210 --> 00:23:01,710 他说明了计划,然后说 (CLARK) He laid out his plans, then said, 398 00:23:01,790 --> 00:23:03,960 "我需要你的知识和帮助" (CLARK) "I need your knowledge and your help." 399 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,510 我说"拉里 (CLARK) I said, "Larry, 400 00:23:06,590 --> 00:23:10,550 只要你保证永远对我说真话,我就加入 (CLARK) I am in as long as you promise to always tell me the truth. 401 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,260 我是认真的 (CLARK) And I mean this, 402 00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:15,680 我永远不想听到权钱交易的事" (CLARK) I never want to hear about pay-to-play." 403 00:23:17,770 --> 00:23:18,980 他答应了 (CLARK) He promised. 404 00:23:20,140 --> 00:23:21,230 我相信了他 (CLARK) And I believed him. 405 00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:24,440 我是拉里·豪斯霍尔德 (CLARK) I'm Larry Householder. 406 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,940 我是个支持持枪、反堕胎的基督教保守派 (CLARK) I'm a pro-gun, pro-life Christian conservative. 407 00:23:27,030 --> 00:23:29,820 一个黑钱集团正在播放欺骗性广告攻击我 (CLARK) A dark money group is airing deceitful ads against me. 408 00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:31,360 他们惹错人了 (CLARK) They're in for a fight. 409 00:23:31,450 --> 00:23:34,370 因为在我们这里,我们坚持自己的立场 (CLARK) 'Cause where I come from, we stick to our guns. 410 00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:39,870 拉里·豪斯霍尔德 (CLARK) Larry Householder. 411 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,420 拉里·豪斯霍尔德就是个... (CLARK) Larry Householder is just... 412 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,000 (CLARK) 我不知道该怎么形容 (CLARK) a character. I don't know how better to say it. 413 00:23:47,710 --> 00:23:49,710 他来自佩里县 (CLARK) He is from Perry County, 414 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,140 距离哥伦布市大约一个半到两小时车程 (CLARK) which is about an hour and a half, two hours east of Columbus. 415 00:23:53,220 --> 00:23:56,640 算是阿巴拉契亚地区的边缘地带 (CLARK) It's sort of like the edge of the Appalachian region. 416 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,220 他以这样一种人著称 (CLARK) He developed a reputation as the kind of guy 417 00:23:59,220 --> 00:24:01,980 想施展魅力时就能施展出来 (CLARK) who can kind of turn on the charm when he wants to. 418 00:24:02,060 --> 00:24:05,110 同时也有恶霸的名声 (CLARK) And he also had a reputation as a bully. 419 00:24:05,980 --> 00:24:07,270 非常非常强势 (CLARK) Very, very aggressive. 420 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,530 他毫不掩饰地告诉所有人 (CLARK) He made no bones about telling everybody 421 00:24:10,610 --> 00:24:12,820 他想再次成为议长 (CLARK) that he wanted to be Speaker again. 422 00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:15,160 很多人都感到紧张 (CLARK) And there were a lot of people who were nervous 423 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,330 因为他们知道第一次是怎么发生的 (CLARK) because they knew how it happened the first time, 424 00:24:17,410 --> 00:24:19,160 他用铁腕手段统治 (CLARK) that he kind of ruled with an iron fist. 425 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,710 但气氛变了,大家都开始说 (CLARK) But the mood changed, and everybody started saying, 426 00:24:21,790 --> 00:24:23,290 "你知道吗,他不一样了 (CLARK) "You know what, he's different. 427 00:24:23,370 --> 00:24:25,880 他冷静多了。我听说他变了很多" (CLARK) He's calmer. I hear he's changed a lot." 428 00:24:28,210 --> 00:24:30,760 拉里·豪斯霍尔德组织了一批 (CLARK) Larry Householder organized a slate 429 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,670 全州范围内的初选候选人 (CLARK) of primary election candidates 430 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,300 (CLARK) across the state of Ohio 431 00:24:35,890 --> 00:24:37,600 他知道如果他们赢了 (CLARK) that he knew if they won 432 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,140 并在11月当选 (CLARK) and then they got elected in November, 433 00:24:39,220 --> 00:24:40,850 就会投票选他当议长 (CLARK) they would vote for him for Speaker. 434 00:24:40,930 --> 00:24:43,390 我在初选中为他管理候选人 (CLARK) I managed candidates for him in the primary. 435 00:24:44,730 --> 00:24:46,650 众议院准备就议长提名 (CLARK) The House will prepare and proceed to vote 436 00:24:46,730 --> 00:24:48,770 按提名顺序进行投票 (CLARK) on the nominations of the Speaker of the House 437 00:24:48,860 --> 00:24:50,980 (CLARK) in order of which they were nominated. 438 00:24:51,570 --> 00:24:52,650 选举日那天 (CLARK) On Election Day, 439 00:24:52,740 --> 00:24:55,200 豪斯霍尔德让他的人足够当选 (CLARK) Householder got enough of his guys elected, 440 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,910 再次成为议长 (CLARK) and became Speaker again. 441 00:24:56,990 --> 00:24:58,620 获得52票 (CLARK) With 52 votes, 442 00:24:58,700 --> 00:25:01,040 达到宪法规定的多数 (CLARK) and having received a constitutional majority 443 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:03,160 (CLARK) of all the votes cast, 444 00:25:03,250 --> 00:25:06,630 拉里·豪斯霍尔德正式当选为 (CLARK) Larry Householder is hereby declared and elected 445 00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:09,090 俄亥俄州众议院议长 (CLARK) the Speaker of the House of Representatives. 446 00:25:09,170 --> 00:25:11,250 要么是过去18年里这个讲台变小了 (CLARK) Either over the last 18 years, 447 00:25:11,340 --> 00:25:13,510 要么就是我变大了 (CLARK) this dais has gotten smaller, 448 00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:15,340 (CLARK) or I have gotten larger. 449 00:25:16,010 --> 00:25:17,220 我们很多人都很兴奋 (CLARK) A lot of us were excited. 450 00:25:17,300 --> 00:25:19,350 感觉我们刚完成了一件大事 (CLARK) We felt like we had just done something big. 451 00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:21,680 我们在初选中干掉了一大批人 (CLARK) We took out a bunch of people in a primary election. 452 00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:24,730 这传递了一个信息:他回来了 (CLARK) Like, this sent a message that he was back. 453 00:25:27,150 --> 00:25:28,560 议长豪斯霍尔德是 (CLARK) Speaker Householder was 454 00:25:28,650 --> 00:25:29,900 州里第三有权势的政客 (CLARK) the third-highest politician in the state. 455 00:25:29,980 --> 00:25:31,610 他是个讨人喜欢的人 (CLARK) He was a likable person. 456 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,690 但他还有不为人知的一面 (CLARK) But there was this other side of him 457 00:25:34,780 --> 00:25:36,240 在录音中显露无遗 (CLARK) that was apparent in recordings 458 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,990 当他以为没人在听的时候 (CLARK) when he didn't think people were listening. 459 00:25:38,820 --> 00:25:41,240 (豪斯霍尔德) 我打败了她三次 (HOUSEHOLDER) I beat her ass three times. 460 00:25:41,580 --> 00:25:43,080 (豪斯霍尔德) 我赢了领导权争夺 (HOUSEHOLDER) I beat her for leadership, 461 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,750 然后是议长竞选 (HOUSEHOLDER) and then it was the Speaker's race. 462 00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:48,000 (豪斯霍尔德) 她他妈都92岁了 (HOUSEHOLDER) She's ninety-fucking-two years old. 463 00:25:49,210 --> 00:25:51,290 (豪斯霍尔德) 等她死了,我要在她坟上 (HOUSEHOLDER) I am gonna take the biggest shit 464 00:25:51,380 --> 00:25:53,670 拉一泡最大的屎 (HOUSEHOLDER) on her grave when she's gone. 465 00:25:57,550 --> 00:26:00,180 在所有这类公共腐败调查中 (CLARK) In all of these public corruption investigations, 466 00:26:00,260 --> 00:26:02,970 关键在于"交换条件" (CLARK) the importance is the quid pro quo. 467 00:26:03,060 --> 00:26:05,520 这类协议通常不会 (CLARK) And those agreements are typically 468 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,480 在公开场合说出来 (CLARK) not said out loud in a public forum. 469 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,400 它们发生在私下交谈中 (CLARK) They're said in private conversations, 470 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,280 无论是面对面还是电话里 (CLARK) whether they be in person or over the telephone. 471 00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:16,740 有不同的手段 (CLARK) There's different means 472 00:26:16,820 --> 00:26:18,530 和不同的调查技术 (CLARK) and there's different investigative techniques 473 00:26:18,610 --> 00:26:23,080 来收集这些未经修饰的对话 (CLARK) to collect those unfiltered conversations. 474 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,830 卧底探员在这个案子里做得非常出色 (CLARK) The undercover agents did a very, very good job 475 00:26:27,910 --> 00:26:29,370 (CLARK) in this particular case. 476 00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:37,840 2018年底的某个时候 (CLARK) Sometime in late 2018, 477 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,680 我和罗伯、布莱恩这两个人共事 (CLARK) I was working with these guys, Rob and Brian. 478 00:26:42,510 --> 00:26:45,680 他们身边总是环绕着美酒 (CLARK) They were always surrounded by nice wines, 479 00:26:45,770 --> 00:26:49,230 这些晚餐总是用现金支付 (CLARK) and these dinners were always paid in cash. 480 00:26:50,350 --> 00:26:53,060 他们问我关于给议长支票的事 (CLARK) They asked me about giving the Speaker a check. 481 00:26:54,110 --> 00:26:56,230 我问了些问题 (CLARK) I asked some questions. 482 00:26:56,900 --> 00:27:00,410 得到的回答大多含糊其辞 (CLARK) Most of the answers that I got were relatively vague. 483 00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:06,240 最多,我会给他们一些下流因素 (CLARK) At best, I would give them, you know, some sleazy factors, 484 00:27:06,330 --> 00:27:10,790 尽管我真的很喜欢布莱恩和罗伯 (CLARK) even though again, I really like Brian and Rob, 485 00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:13,590 因为我们的晚餐很有趣 (CLARK) for the fun aspect of our dinners. 486 00:27:13,670 --> 00:27:17,460 但我说他们看起来像初级黑手党 (CLARK) But I said that they seem to be like junior mafia-like. 487 00:27:18,970 --> 00:27:20,380 我没再追究 (CLARK) I let it go. 488 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,970 尼尔·克拉克之所以放手不管 (CLARK) Neil Clark may have let it go 489 00:27:24,050 --> 00:27:26,680 是因为他在窃听录音中透露的事情 (CLARK) because of something he revealed on the body wires. 490 00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:29,100 他变得深信不疑 (CLARK) He had become convinced 491 00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:31,980 由于最高法院的裁决 (CLARK) that because of what the Supreme Court had decided, 492 00:27:32,060 --> 00:27:35,650 现在有一种合法的交换条件方式 (CLARK) there was a way to do quid pro quo that was now legal. 493 00:27:36,570 --> 00:27:39,820 (克拉克) 我只想要c4的钱... (CLARK) I only want the money in a...for c4s. 494 00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:41,660 (卧底) 所以这里不涉及政治行动委员会? (UNDERCOVER) So nothing PAC-wise here? 495 00:27:41,820 --> 00:27:43,280 (克拉克)政治行动委员会的钱要公开 (CLARK) PAC dollars are reportable. 496 00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:45,370 (克拉克)c4组织是秘密的,没人知道... (CLARK) A c4 is secret, nobody knows... 497 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:52,000 尼尔·克拉克在早期窃听中提到的就是c4组织 What Neil Clark talked about early on in the wiretaps was the use of c4s. 498 00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:53,630 (克拉克)501(c)(4) (CLARK) 501(c)(4). 499 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,920 (克拉克)c4是个政治实体 (CLARK) A c4 is a political entity that 500 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,710 (克拉克)可以接受不公开的企业捐款 (CLARK) can take non-disclosed corporate contributions 501 00:28:01,050 --> 00:28:04,300 (克拉克)用于竞选活动和议题宣传 (CLARK) and they can spend it on both campaigns and issues. 502 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,850 (卧底)这就是多年前税收大战的根源? (UNDERCOVER) Is that what all this tax shit was like years ago, 503 00:28:07,930 --> 00:28:09,140 (卧底)人们争得头破血流的原因? (UNDERCOVER) there was a big fight over? 504 00:28:09,220 --> 00:28:11,770 (克拉克)你把我脑子搞糊涂了,不过... (CLARK) You're taxing my brain now, but it's... 505 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,020 (克拉克)联合公民案 (CLARK) Citizens United. 506 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,980 联合公民案催生了超级政治行动委员会 Citizens United created super PACs, right? 507 00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:22,070 (克拉克)501(c)(4)就像超级政治行动委员会 (CLARK) A 501(c)(4) is like a super PAC. 508 00:28:22,150 --> 00:28:24,450 (克拉克)可以吸纳巨额资金 (CLARK) Immense amounts of money can go into it. 509 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,740 (克拉克)但和超级政治行动委员会不同 (CLARK) But unlike a super PAC, 510 00:28:26,830 --> 00:28:29,740 (克拉克)你不需要公开捐款人 (CLARK) you do not have to disclose your donors. 511 00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:32,330 (卧底)你在职业生涯中 (UNDERCOVER) In your career, you've had a lot of experience 512 00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:34,370 (卧底)处理过很多腐败案件 (UNDERCOVER) with prosecuting corruption. 513 00:28:34,460 --> 00:28:37,250 (卧底)时间久了 (UNDERCOVER) So over time, 514 00:28:37,340 --> 00:28:39,710 (卧底)能看出什么规律吗? (UNDERCOVER) do you see patterns emerge? 515 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,630 (克拉克)当然,都是关于洗钱 (CLARK) Oh yeah. It's hiding money. 516 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,010 (克拉克)这就是关键所在 (CLARK) That's what it's all about. 517 00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:48,430 (克拉克)c4组织就是个黑箱 (CLARK) A c4 is cloaked in secrecy. 518 00:28:48,510 --> 00:28:53,690 (克拉克)你可以把501(c)(4)看作不透明纸袋 (CLARK) You can think of a 501(c)(4) as an opaque paper bag 519 00:28:53,770 --> 00:28:55,480 (克拉克)有两个c4组织你必须捐款 (CLARK) There are two c4s you have to give to. 520 00:28:55,810 --> 00:28:57,520 (克拉克)一个是州长的 (CLARK) The Governor, but I will not let you give 521 00:28:57,610 --> 00:28:58,860 (克拉克)但除非我确定 (CLARK) to the Governor unless I know 522 00:28:58,940 --> 00:29:00,900 (克拉克)他会做出正确决定 (CLARK) he's gonna make the decision right. 523 00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:03,070 (克拉克)另一个是... (CLARK) The Speaker... 524 00:29:03,150 --> 00:29:06,610 (克拉克)我已经为豪斯霍尔德的c4筹过款 (CLARK) I've already raised money for Householder's c4. 525 00:29:06,780 --> 00:29:08,280 (克拉克)他有个c4组织 (CLARK) But he has a c4. 526 00:29:08,830 --> 00:29:10,580 起初我们只是听到 First, we would just hear references 527 00:29:10,660 --> 00:29:15,580 关于议长的501(c)(4)组织的只言片语 to the Speaker's 501(c)(4) or a 501(c)(4). 528 00:29:16,290 --> 00:29:18,080 这是个令人担忧的拼图碎片 This was a concerning puzzle piece. 529 00:29:18,170 --> 00:29:21,300 候选人和501(c)(4)组织之间 There's not supposed to be coordination between the candidate 530 00:29:21,380 --> 00:29:25,300 本不该有资金使用上的串通 and what the 501(c)(4) is using that money for. 531 00:29:26,010 --> 00:29:28,930 (克拉克)不要在电话里讨论... (CLARK) You don't discuss on the phone... 532 00:29:29,010 --> 00:29:32,020 (克拉克)具体数字 (CLARK) a number. What you say is, "We wanna help." 533 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,060 (克拉克)他会说"太好了" (CLARK) He'll say, "That's great, 534 00:29:34,140 --> 00:29:35,560 (克拉克)"去和杰夫谈" (CLARK) talk to Jeff [Householder's strategist]." 535 00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:38,900 (克拉克)这是在保护你们的老板 (CLARK) It's about protecting the people that are your bosses. 536 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,110 (克拉克)是真实存在的人 (CLARK) It is actual people, who can't be on the phone 537 00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:42,860 (克拉克)不能通电话以免构成共谋 (CLARK) because it would be a conspiracy. 538 00:29:42,940 --> 00:29:43,940 (卧底)明白 Right. 539 00:29:44,740 --> 00:29:48,240 起诉个人贿赂罪非常困难 Prosecuting individuals for bribery, it's extremely difficult. 540 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:53,040 我们需要证明存在明示或暗示的 We need to have a implied or expressed quid pro quo 541 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,540 利益交换关系 depending on the circumstances. 542 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,870 要证明"我会为你做这件事" Establishing that I will do this official act for you 543 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,420 换取金钱或其他财产 in return for money, money and property, 544 00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:01,840 那就是犯罪 then that's a crime. 545 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,010 但你需要证明利益交换的动机 But you need motivation behind the quid pro quo, right? 546 00:30:04,340 --> 00:30:06,260 (克拉克)问题在于怎么使用c4资金 (CLARK) The question is then what do you do with the c4? 547 00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:07,380 (克拉克)是用来帮人当选 (CLARK) Do you help people get elected 548 00:30:07,470 --> 00:30:08,470 (克拉克)还是谋取私利? (CLARK) or do you do it for your own issues? 549 00:30:08,550 --> 00:30:09,640 (卧底)没错 Right. 550 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,390 (克拉克)我经手的这个c4 (CLARK) This c4 that I'm doing this work on 551 00:30:11,470 --> 00:30:15,980 (克拉克)过去10周就花了1700万 (CLARK) has done just in these last 10 weeks, $17 million. 552 00:30:16,060 --> 00:30:17,480 (卧底)哇哦 (UNDERCOVER) Wow. 553 00:30:18,060 --> 00:30:21,440 这类贿赂案通常要么掌握资金流向 Oftentimes in these bribery cases, you either have the money, 554 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,980 要么掌握立法或行动证据 or you have the legislation or the action, 555 00:30:25,070 --> 00:30:27,030 然后试图找出两者关联 and you're trying to figure out if there's a connection. 556 00:30:27,820 --> 00:30:31,660 我们听说了这个账户,但没发现具体行动 So we heard about this account, but we didn't have any action. 557 00:30:33,580 --> 00:30:35,620 后来第6号众议院法案提出时 And then when House Bill 6 was introduced, 558 00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:37,750 自然引起了我们注意 that, of course, piqued our interest. 559 00:30:40,670 --> 00:30:42,630 (豪斯霍尔德)感谢各位莅临 (HOUSEHOLDER) Well, I appreciate everybody being here, 560 00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:46,460 (豪斯霍尔德)我们准备推进这个... (HOUSEHOLDER) and we are ready to get moving on this... 561 00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:50,720 (豪斯霍尔德)这个神秘的...神秘能源法案 (HOUSEHOLDER) on this mystery... mysterious energy bill 562 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,430 (豪斯霍尔德)我们已筹备多时 (HOUSEHOLDER) that we've been working on for quite a while 563 00:30:52,510 --> 00:30:54,140 (豪斯霍尔德)在众议院内部 (HOUSEHOLDER) here in the House of Representatives. 564 00:30:54,220 --> 00:30:55,640 (豪斯霍尔德)纵观俄亥俄州 (HOUSEHOLDER) When you look at Ohio 565 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,980 (豪斯霍尔德)和本州历史 (HOUSEHOLDER) and you look at the history of the state of Ohio, 566 00:30:58,060 --> 00:31:01,190 (豪斯霍尔德)我们一直是伟大的工业大州 (HOUSEHOLDER) we have always been a great industrial state. 567 00:31:01,270 --> 00:31:03,480 (豪斯霍尔德)是制造业重镇 (HOUSEHOLDER) We've always been a great manufacturing state. 568 00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:06,400 (豪斯霍尔德)我们今天提出的 (HOUSEHOLDER) What we were able to craft 569 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,400 (豪斯霍尔德)是俄亥俄清洁空气计划 (HOUSEHOLDER) and we're introducing today 570 00:31:08,490 --> 00:31:10,570 (豪斯霍尔德)就是俄亥俄清洁空气计划 (HOUSEHOLDER) is the Ohio Clean Air Program. 571 00:31:11,950 --> 00:31:14,830 我记得调查员来电 I just remember our case agent's phone call 572 00:31:14,910 --> 00:31:17,000 告知第6号众议院法案的事 telling me about House Bill 6. 573 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,580 他们说"你看到这个了吗?" They're just like, "Are you watching this?" 574 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,250 第6号众议院法案是核电救助计划 You know, House Bill 6 was the nuclear bailout. 575 00:31:23,330 --> 00:31:24,750 它为据称濒临倒闭的 It provided a subsidy 576 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,590 俄亥俄核电站提供补贴 to reportedly failing nuclear plants in Ohio. 577 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,090 (记者)你提到的核电站 (REPORTER) You said nuclear power plants, 578 00:31:31,180 --> 00:31:33,010 (记者)是第一能源公司的吗? (REPORTER) were those FirstEnergy nuclear power plants? 579 00:31:33,090 --> 00:31:34,180 (豪斯霍尔德)是的 (HOUSEHOLDER) Yes. 580 00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:37,180 第一能源总部在阿克伦 FirstEnergy is based in Akron. 581 00:31:37,270 --> 00:31:40,230 是受监管的公用事业公司 It's a regulated utility, 582 00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:43,190 业务覆盖俄亥俄到新泽西 and they operate from Ohio to New Jersey. 583 00:31:43,270 --> 00:31:45,110 横跨多个州 So they have multiple states. 584 00:31:46,270 --> 00:31:52,700 我们并未特别关注任何...用户 We really did not look at any particular... user. 585 00:31:52,780 --> 00:31:55,450 没针对特定输电企业 We didn't really look at any particular transmitter. 586 00:31:55,530 --> 00:31:57,240 也没针对特定发电企业 We didn't look at any particular generator. 587 00:31:57,330 --> 00:31:59,870 我们只是认为这对俄亥俄州有利 We just said, this is the right thing to do for the state of Ohio. 588 00:31:59,950 --> 00:32:01,750 法案起草方式是 The way the legislation was drafted was, 589 00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:04,500 任何企业都可申请补贴 you know, anyone could apply for this subsidy. 590 00:32:04,580 --> 00:32:06,790 但必须满足的条件 But the requirements you had to meet 591 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,170 以及谁能达标等细则 and who could meet the requirements and all that, 592 00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:12,090 似乎就是为第一能源量身定制 it seemed to be designed for FirstEnergy. 593 00:32:12,970 --> 00:32:14,590 而且这是补贴不是贷款 And it was a subsidy, not a loan. 594 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,930 相当于让纳税人背负 So it was, you know, a billion dollars 595 00:32:18,010 --> 00:32:19,640 10亿美元债务 borne on the backs of ratepayers. 596 00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:23,980 这项补贴有问题 There was something fishy about the subsidy. 597 00:32:25,060 --> 00:32:27,730 为何这么多钱流向一家公司? Why should so much money go to one company? 598 00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:31,360 为何偏偏是第一能源? And why should that company be FirstEnergy? 599 00:32:34,570 --> 00:32:37,030 作为美国最大污染源之一 One of America's biggest polluters, 600 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,500 第一能源曾因倾倒200亿加仑 FirstEnergy was sued for dumping 20 billion gallons 601 00:32:40,580 --> 00:32:42,620 含砷煤废料到地下水和水库 of arsenic-infested coal waste 602 00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:44,460 被起诉 into groundwater and reservoirs. 603 00:32:45,460 --> 00:32:47,590 其核电站因隐瞒安全隐患 Its nuclear plants paid huge fines 604 00:32:47,670 --> 00:32:49,670 支付巨额罚款 for covering up safety violations. 605 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,090 财务状况糟糕到在豪斯霍尔德吹捧 And its balance sheet was so bad that it declared bankruptcy 606 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,550 第6号众议院法案前一年就破产了 a year before Householder touted the benefits of House Bill 6. 607 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,930 (豪斯霍尔德)这关乎俄亥俄州的清洁空气 (HOUSEHOLDER) It's about cleaner air in the state of Ohio, 608 00:33:02,020 --> 00:33:03,350 (豪斯霍尔德)我们正在激励环保 (HOUSEHOLDER) and trying to incentivize that. 609 00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:06,690 (豪斯霍尔德)也在激励俄亥俄就业 (HOUSEHOLDER) And it's about trying to incentivize Ohio jobs. 610 00:33:06,770 --> 00:33:10,980 我不想评判第6号法案的合理性 I'm not here to judge the wisdom of House Bill 6, and I won't. 611 00:33:11,070 --> 00:33:12,570 但他们的论点是 But, you know, the argument was, 612 00:33:12,650 --> 00:33:14,700 "嘿,我们想要能源独立 "Hey, you know, we want energy independence. 613 00:33:14,780 --> 00:33:16,660 想保住这些工作岗位 We want to keep these people employed. 614 00:33:16,740 --> 00:33:17,870 不想让工厂倒闭" We don't want it to shut down." 615 00:33:17,950 --> 00:33:22,080 唯一办法就是通过第6号法案 And the only way to do that was through a bailout by the people 616 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,750 让俄亥俄人民买单 of the state of Ohio through House Bill 6. 617 00:33:25,290 --> 00:33:26,370 (豪斯霍尔德)还有其他问题吗? (HOUSEHOLDER) Anything else? 618 00:33:27,630 --> 00:33:29,420 我记得坐在拉里·豪斯霍尔德旁边 I remember sitting next to Larry Householder 619 00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:30,960 参加他的新闻发布会 at his press conference, 620 00:33:31,050 --> 00:33:32,550 我其实提了个问题... and I actually asked a question... 621 00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:39,350 (记者)大量竞选资金从第一能源 (REPORTER) There's a lot of campaign money that comes in to Ohio political coffers 622 00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:40,560 (记者)及其盟友流入俄亥俄政坛 (REPORTER) from FirstEnergy, and FirstEnergy Solutions, and their allies. 623 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,180 (记者)第一能源解决方案公司 (REPORTER) and FirstEnergy Solutions, 624 00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:45,730 (记者)该法案将使 (REPORTER) This bill would make 625 00:33:46,730 --> 00:33:49,480 (记者)这些核电站获得3亿补贴中的一半 (REPORTER) those plants eligible for half of the 300 million. 626 00:33:50,730 --> 00:33:51,860 (记者)两者有关联吗? (REPORTER) Is there a connection? 627 00:33:52,650 --> 00:33:53,740 (豪斯霍尔德)没有 (HOUSEHOLDER) No. 628 00:33:53,820 --> 00:33:54,900 (记者)好的 (REPORTER) Okay. 629 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,660 我当时就觉得 I mean, again, I just-- I was, I was like, 630 00:34:01,740 --> 00:34:03,870 这像是给第一能源的大礼包 this looks like a big giveaway to FirstEnergy. 631 00:34:03,950 --> 00:34:04,950 (记者)没错 (REPORTER) Right. 632 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,080 (记者)这是他的标志性立法 (REPORTER) And this was-- this was his signature legislation. 633 00:34:13,340 --> 00:34:16,800 豪斯霍尔德让我帮他关注第6号法案 Householder asked me to pay attention to HB6 for him. 634 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,930 他说"你代表我 He said, "You have my proxy. 635 00:34:20,010 --> 00:34:22,850 我不在场时你说了算" If I am not in the room, what you say goes." 636 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,430 我同意帮忙 I agreed to help. 637 00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:30,690 第6号法案是救助计划?那又怎样? HB6 was a bailout. So what? 638 00:34:31,650 --> 00:34:33,900 豪斯霍尔德称之为清洁空气法案 Householder called it the Clean Air Act. 639 00:34:35,820 --> 00:34:38,530 关键在于可再生能源计划 The catch was that a renewable program 640 00:34:38,610 --> 00:34:41,280 实质上是在补贴风电行业 to essentially subsidize the wind industry 641 00:34:41,370 --> 00:34:42,910 这些补贴将被取消 would be eliminated. 642 00:34:44,700 --> 00:34:46,580 媒体报道和委员会听证会 Press reports and committee testimony 643 00:34:46,660 --> 00:34:47,960 进展并不顺利 weren't going well. 644 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,080 我是迈克尔·霍 My name is Michael Haugh. 645 00:34:49,210 --> 00:34:50,290 代表俄亥俄消费者委员会作证 I'm testifying for the office of the Ohio Consumers' Council. 646 00:34:50,370 --> 00:34:51,630 我们坚决反对这项法案 We are firmly opposed to this 647 00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:54,170 这对所有俄亥俄人都不利 for all Ohioans, 648 00:34:54,250 --> 00:34:56,460 尤其是50岁以上 but especially for those aged 50-plus 649 00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:58,170 靠固定收入生活的群体 who are living on fixed incomes. 650 00:34:58,260 --> 00:35:00,550 这项法案打着清洁空气计划的幌子 Masquerading as a clean air program, 651 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,890 实际上每年向企业和家庭 the bill would essentially levy a $300 million annual tax 652 00:35:03,970 --> 00:35:05,430 征收3亿美元税款 on businesses and households. 653 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,810 其中过半资金用于 More than half of those funds to bail out 654 00:35:07,890 --> 00:35:09,690 救助两家破产的发电厂 two bankrupt power plants. 655 00:35:09,770 --> 00:35:10,940 俄亥俄州的制造商们 The Ohio manufacturers, 656 00:35:11,020 --> 00:35:12,980 对此火冒三丈 they were super ticked off about this 657 00:35:13,060 --> 00:35:15,070 因为他们觉得 because they felt like, look, you know, 658 00:35:15,150 --> 00:35:17,900 这会让我们的账单暴涨 this is going to jack up our bills enormously. 659 00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:19,110 他们可不喜欢这样 They didn't like that. 660 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,320 环保主义者也不买账 And the environmentalists didn't like it either. 661 00:35:21,410 --> 00:35:23,450 这是我收到的直邮广告之一 Here's one of the direct mailings I received. 662 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,910 上面写着要确保 It talks about securing 663 00:35:26,990 --> 00:35:28,370 子孙后代的能源未来 Ohio's energy future for our grandchildren. 664 00:35:29,460 --> 00:35:31,460 我今年就要当祖母了 I'm going to become a grandmother this year. 665 00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:33,540 但我绝不会把老旧 I do not think of old 666 00:35:33,630 --> 00:35:35,800 且潜在危险的核电站 and potentially dangerous nuclear plants 667 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,010 视为孙辈的清洁能源未来 as the clean energy future for my grandchild. 668 00:35:40,590 --> 00:35:42,220 这就是个糟糕的政策 It was just bad policy. 669 00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:46,100 这是政府用纳税人的钱 It was a government bailout of a failing corporation. 670 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,520 连我都感到惊讶 Even I was surprised that a guy who billed himself 671 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,060 一个自称是保守派共和党人 as a conservative Republican from rural Ohio 672 00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:55,520 居然如此热衷企业救助 was so big on a corporate bailout. 673 00:35:56,980 --> 00:36:00,570 没人知道拉里·豪斯霍尔德 No one knew why Larry Householder 674 00:36:00,650 --> 00:36:03,660 为何对第6号法案如此执着 was staking so much on House Bill 6. 675 00:36:06,830 --> 00:36:08,290 众议院现在开会 House will come to order. 676 00:36:09,410 --> 00:36:11,750 请来宾们起立 I'd like to invite our guests in the gallery to please rise 677 00:36:11,830 --> 00:36:14,130 与议员们一起祷告 and join our members in today's opening prayer. 678 00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:17,670 当时推动法案通过众议院的压力很大 There was a big push to get it through the House. 679 00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:19,800 这个法案的委员会审议过程 Now, this bill, it came out of a committee process 680 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:20,920 说实话让我感到 that, in my opinion, 681 00:36:21,010 --> 00:36:23,090 身为其中一员实在难堪 I am quite embarrassed to have been a part of. 682 00:36:23,180 --> 00:36:25,800 整个审议过程严重缺乏 A committee process that grossly lacked 683 00:36:25,890 --> 00:36:28,310 透明度和问责制 transparency and accountability. 684 00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:30,140 有次我们甚至被禁止 At one point, we were even denied-- 685 00:36:30,220 --> 00:36:32,190 请这位先生只讨论修正案内容 Will the gentleman please just speak to the amendment? 686 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,230 请讨论修正案 Speak to the amendment, please. 687 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,730 我只是...好的 I was just-- Okay. 688 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,700 人们形容这个局面是艰难抉择 People described the scenario as being a tough vote 689 00:36:43,780 --> 00:36:45,490 因为投票结果不得人心 because it's an unpopular vote. 690 00:36:45,570 --> 00:36:47,830 如果你投票支持这项立法 So if you were to vote in favor of the legislation, 691 00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:51,250 可能就违背了选民的意愿 you'd be voting perhaps against your constituents. 692 00:36:51,330 --> 00:36:53,370 未来掌握在我们手中... The future is in our hands... 693 00:36:53,460 --> 00:36:56,250 与此同时电视和广播开始播放 At the same time, these ads started to run 694 00:36:56,330 --> 00:36:57,920 支持者的宣传广告 on TV and on the radio 695 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,500 为他们提供政治掩护 to give political cover to the supporters 696 00:37:00,590 --> 00:37:02,630 并向那些 and then to apply pressure 697 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:04,800 持观望态度的议员施压 to the ones who were sitting on the fence on the bill. 698 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,220 政客们总说要保住工作岗位 Politicians always say they want to save jobs. 699 00:37:08,300 --> 00:37:10,310 现在正是他们兑现承诺 Well, this is a perfect opportunity 700 00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:12,770 拯救我们工作的好时机 for politicians to save our jobs. 701 00:37:12,850 --> 00:37:16,270 俄亥俄州的参议员们 Ohio senators, families need you to act now. 702 00:37:16,350 --> 00:37:18,810 安德鲁·布伦纳参议员能保住我们的工作 Senator Andrew Brenner can save our jobs. 703 00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:21,320 马特·多兰参议员能保住我们的工作 Senator Matt Dolan can save our jobs. 704 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,820 弗兰克·霍格兰参议员能保住我们的工作 Senator Frank Hoagland can save our jobs. 705 00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:27,820 请要求你们的立法者支持第6号法案 Ask your legislators to support House Bill 6. 706 00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:31,200 更多就业机会 更低电费账单 More jobs, lower bills for Ohio. 707 00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:32,700 当然还有针对 Then, of course, there were negative ads 708 00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:34,750 摇摆议员的负面广告 run against people who were maybes. 709 00:37:35,330 --> 00:37:38,170 这时戴夫·格林斯潘联系了我们 That is when Dave Greenspan reached out to us. 710 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,210 他当时是州众议员 He was a state representative at the time 711 00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:43,300 不愿支持第6号法案 that did not want to support House Bill 6, 712 00:37:43,380 --> 00:37:47,050 正因法案承受压力 and was getting pressure regarding the legislation. 713 00:37:48,010 --> 00:37:49,720 (克拉克) 议长两周前打电话给我 (CLARK) The Speaker calls me two weeks ago, 714 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:50,970 说必须拿到他的票 you got to get his vote. 715 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:53,310 (克拉克) 我和戴夫·格林斯潘谈过 (CLARK) So, I talk to David Greenspan 716 00:37:53,390 --> 00:37:55,310 (克拉克)他说"我不能投赞成票" (CLARK) and he goes, "I can't vote for it." And I said, 717 00:37:55,890 --> 00:37:57,850 (克拉克) "戴夫 你必须投赞成票" (CLARK) "Dave, you have to vote for it." 718 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:00,560 (克拉克) "尼尔 我在原则上..." (CLARK) "Neil, I'm philosophically..." 719 00:38:00,650 --> 00:38:01,820 我说"我不管" I said, "I don't care." 720 00:38:02,230 --> 00:38:03,610 (克拉克) 他根本不在乎 (CLARK) He doesn't care. 721 00:38:04,030 --> 00:38:06,110 (克拉克) 你还想发表 (CLARK) And you want to give a fucking opinion 722 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,490 自己的观点？ about what you believe in? 723 00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:09,700 (克拉克) 没人在乎这个 (CLARK) Nobody cares about that. 724 00:38:09,950 --> 00:38:12,080 格林斯潘众议员联系了FBI Representative Greenspan called the FBI. 725 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,750 举报了第6号法案 He reported what was going on with House Bill 6 726 00:38:15,830 --> 00:38:17,620 和豪斯霍尔德先生的勾当 and with Mr. Householder. 727 00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:27,340 我亲眼目睹了豪斯霍尔德 I actually was there when we were meeting with Mr. Greenspan. 728 00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:30,970 威胁格林斯潘的场景 And to see Larry Householder 729 00:38:31,050 --> 00:38:34,560 基本上就是在威胁戴夫·格林斯潘 essentially threatening Dave Greenspan... 730 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,600 (豪斯霍尔德) 你觉得我们该对格林斯潘 (HOUSEHOLDER) You think we should go ahead 731 00:38:36,770 --> 00:38:39,600 (豪斯霍尔德)采取些行动吗？ (HOUSEHOLDER) and make some kind of a movement on Greenspan? 732 00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:41,610 (豪斯霍尔德) 直接放话说 (HOUSEHOLDER) Just to sit there and say, 733 00:38:41,690 --> 00:38:43,070 (豪斯霍尔德) "你要是敢搞我 (HOUSEHOLDER) "If you're going to fuck with me, 734 00:38:43,150 --> 00:38:44,780 我就搞你孩子" I'm going to fuck with your kids." 735 00:38:44,980 --> 00:38:47,280 说实话我们当时都惊呆了 To be frank, we were even astonished 736 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,620 这些手握重权的人物 that people of immense power and responsibility 737 00:38:52,330 --> 00:38:54,540 竟会做出如此行径 would engage in this type of conduct. 738 00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:59,170 格林斯潘众议员后来告诉我们 Representative Greenspan later told us 739 00:38:59,250 --> 00:39:01,540 有人指示他删除信息 he was instructed to delete messages. 740 00:39:01,630 --> 00:39:04,050 他需要 He needed to essentially obstruct justice. 741 00:39:04,130 --> 00:39:06,380 他必须删除那些短信 He needed to delete those text messages, 742 00:39:06,460 --> 00:39:08,880 如果照做了 and that if he had agreed to do that, 743 00:39:08,970 --> 00:39:10,720 就能既往不咎 then all would be forgiven. 744 00:39:11,970 --> 00:39:14,430 这推动了我们 That put things in motion 745 00:39:14,510 --> 00:39:17,060 展开调查 and we were able to start an investigation 746 00:39:17,140 --> 00:39:19,390 调取记录 and subpoena records and build from there. 747 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,690 迅速推进调查 And quickly build from there because we wanted to... 748 00:39:22,770 --> 00:39:27,190 我们知道有人试图销毁证据 we knew that there was an effort to delete evidence. 749 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,070 我们正在与时间赛跑 And so we were racing against time 750 00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:31,820 赶在证据被删除前收集 to collect that evidence before it could get deleted. 751 00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:34,740 这项法案在俄亥俄州议会 Well, I mean, this bill moved really fast 752 00:39:34,830 --> 00:39:36,160 推进速度惊人 in the Ohio legislature. 753 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,000 四月初提出 I mean, it got introduced in early April, 754 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,290 七月份送到州长办公桌 and the governor signed it 755 00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:43,330 当天就签署生效 the day it hit his desk in July of 2019. 756 00:39:43,420 --> 00:39:46,050 对重大立法来说这速度相当快 That's pretty fast for a major piece of legislation. 757 00:39:46,590 --> 00:39:49,880 我认为这是必须要做的事 I think this is something that needed to be done. 758 00:39:50,590 --> 00:39:53,800 州议会挺身而出完成了使命 And the legislature rose up and took care of business. 759 00:39:57,850 --> 00:39:59,850 第6号法案通过后 After House Bill 6 passed, 760 00:39:59,930 --> 00:40:03,440 我们的调查还处于早期阶段 we were in the very early stages of the investigation. 761 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,320 我们想查明第6号法案 We wanted to figure out if House Bill 6 was a corrupt deal. 762 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,530 跑马拉松对我和家人来说是新体验 Running marathons is something that's new to me and my family. 763 00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:20,330 我发现跑步有助于缓解压力 I find running helpful for stress relief. 764 00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:26,290 十到二十英里的长跑 Ten-, 20-mile runs. You're out there for a long time. 765 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,220 人们问"你听音乐吗" 其实我不听 People say, "Do you listen to music?" And I don't. 766 00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:33,090 我会思考手头的案件 I think about my cases 767 00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:36,050 和即将出现的问题 and think about some of the issues that are coming up. 768 00:40:37,970 --> 00:40:41,390 我们听说豪斯霍尔德有个501(c)(4)组织 We had heard that Householder had a 501(c)(4). 769 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,560 得先查清楚这个免税组织的 And so we had to figure out what 501(c)(4) that was, 770 00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:48,020 名称和存在证明 the name, that it existed, 771 00:40:48,110 --> 00:40:50,820 再与豪斯霍尔德先生关联起来 and then connect that back to Mr. Householder. 772 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:55,910 调查过程中 During the investigation, 773 00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:58,120 有人向我们透露 someone provided information to us 774 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,700 豪斯霍尔德声称自己投入了50万美元 that Householder claimed he put $500,000 775 00:41:01,790 --> 00:41:04,420 用于第43选区选举 into the House District 43 election. 776 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,130 我们试图查清他说的这笔钱 And so we were trying to figure out what money he was talking about. 777 00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:10,000 我身边这两位是 I'm here with candidates running 778 00:41:10,090 --> 00:41:12,670 俄亥俄州第43选区 for the office of Ohio House District 43, 779 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,590 众议员候选人丹·弗利和杰弗里·托德·史密斯 Dan Foley and Jeffery Todd Smith. 780 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,470 丹·弗利是蒙哥马利县专员 Dan Foley was a Montgomery County commissioner, 781 00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:20,510 戴顿地区的资深民主党人 longtime Democrat in the Dayton area. 782 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,520 丹 你支持重新划分选区 Dan, are you a supporter of redrawing the district 783 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,310 以促进选举公平吗？ in an effort to promote fair elections? 784 00:41:25,390 --> 00:41:28,690 是否支持在2020年大选前完成？ And would you support doing this prior to the 2020 election? 785 00:41:28,770 --> 00:41:30,900 我支持 我认为选区划分不公 I would, and I think the biggest harm 786 00:41:30,980 --> 00:41:32,860 最大的危害在于 about gerrymandered districts 787 00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:37,030 执政党总是觉得必须 is that the party in power always feels like they have to, 788 00:41:37,110 --> 00:41:39,280 在我看来 in my opinion, they have to draw these districts 789 00:41:39,370 --> 00:41:42,200 他们必须划分这些选区 to favor their continuation of staying in power. 790 00:41:42,290 --> 00:41:43,660 托德·史密斯最初并非 J. Todd Smith was not 791 00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:45,410 豪斯霍尔德团队成员 an initial member of Team Householder, 792 00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:47,580 但在普选中加入了 but he became one in the general election. 793 00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:50,710 托德 你认为政府应该干预 Todd, do you think that the government should be involved 794 00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:53,010 女性的生育决定吗？ in the reproductive decisions of women? 795 00:41:53,090 --> 00:41:56,380 如果是指提供咨询 If you're talking about allowing people to have counsel, 796 00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:58,510 乳腺检查等服务 我没意见 to have mammograms, to have those things, fine. 797 00:41:58,590 --> 00:41:59,800 如果是堕胎 If you're talking about abortion, 798 00:41:59,890 --> 00:42:01,430 我每次都反对 I'm going to be against abortion every time. 799 00:42:03,220 --> 00:42:05,560 这是少数几个摇摆选区之一 It's like one of the few swing districts. 800 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,270 选情会很胶着 So it's going to be a close race. 801 00:42:07,350 --> 00:42:10,020 弗利在外竞选时 And Foley was out campaigning, 802 00:42:10,110 --> 00:42:12,360 去酒吧喝啤酒 and then he stopped at a bar to, like, 803 00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:14,530 看比赛 grab a beer and watch the game. 804 00:42:14,610 --> 00:42:15,990 那天特别热 It was a super hot day. 805 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,610 他被拦下检查 And he got pulled over, 806 00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:20,660 做了现场清醒测试 and they did a field sobriety, 807 00:42:20,740 --> 00:42:22,160 通过了 and he passed. 808 00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:23,950 他承认"我喝了一杯" I think he disclosed, "Yeah, I had a beer." 809 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:29,170 某个黑钱组织拿到了执法记录视频 And some dark money group pulled the dashcam video from that. 810 00:42:29,250 --> 00:42:31,420 我们都生活在同样的法律之下 We all live under the same laws, 811 00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:33,750 但政客丹·弗利似乎认为 but it seems politician Dan Foley 812 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,260 这些规则对他不适用 doesn't believe those same rules apply to him. 813 00:42:36,340 --> 00:42:39,260 弗利被警方抓到酒驾 Foley was caught drinking and driving by police, 814 00:42:39,340 --> 00:42:41,800 多项清醒测试都没通过 failing multiple sobriety tests. 815 00:42:41,890 --> 00:42:43,970 但他躲过了酒驾指控 But Foley avoided a DUI. 816 00:42:44,060 --> 00:42:47,270 只收到一张40美元的超速罚单 Instead, he only received a $40 speeding ticket. 817 00:42:47,350 --> 00:42:49,900 看起来又是个腐败政客 Looks like just another corrupt politician 818 00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:52,110 自以为凌驾于法律之上 believing he's above the law. 819 00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:54,480 我们可不能相信醉鬼丹·弗利 We can't trust Drunk Dan Foley. 820 00:42:55,070 --> 00:42:58,240 这则广告来自"勤劳俄亥俄人"组织 That ad came from a group called Hardworking Ohioans. 821 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,780 我们开始调查试图理清头绪 So we started looking at this trying to connect the dots. 822 00:43:00,860 --> 00:43:03,910 好吧 "勤劳俄亥俄人"的资金从哪来？ Okay, Hardworking Ohioans, where does this money come from? 823 00:43:05,330 --> 00:43:07,370 在常规竞选财务中 In regular campaign finance, 824 00:43:07,450 --> 00:43:09,250 通常会有披露要求 there's going to typically be disclosure 825 00:43:09,330 --> 00:43:10,420 具体取决于各州规定 depending on the state. 826 00:43:11,170 --> 00:43:13,250 俄亥俄州的数据库非常完善 And Ohio has very good access 827 00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:16,130 可以查询这些披露信息 to databases where you can look at disclosures. 828 00:43:16,210 --> 00:43:18,880 "勤劳俄亥俄人"什么都没报告 Hardworking Ohioans reported nothing. 829 00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:21,390 于是你传唤一系列文件 And so you subpoena a range of documents 830 00:43:21,970 --> 00:43:24,640 我们得以确定 and we were able to determine 831 00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:26,430 银行记录的位置 where the bank records were. 832 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,890 我记得它收到约 I think it received somewhere in the neighborhood 833 00:43:28,980 --> 00:43:31,690 140万美元左右 of $1.4 million. 834 00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:33,730 其中大部分资金 And the majority of that money came in 835 00:43:33,810 --> 00:43:35,690 来自名为"当下世代"的实体 from an entity called Generation Now, 836 00:43:36,190 --> 00:43:38,650 这是个501(c)(4)组织 which is a 501(c)(4) entity. 837 00:43:39,150 --> 00:43:42,410 这对我们拼凑全貌很重要 It was an important piece of the picture for us, 838 00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:47,290 但我们想追溯这些钱 but we wanted to connect that back to Mr. Householder. 839 00:43:47,370 --> 00:43:49,120 他的名字没出现在任何文件上 His name was not on any of the documents. 840 00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:52,920 州注册的备案文件 The filing paperwork for the state registration 841 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,080 也不是他名字 was not in his name. 842 00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:58,170 我们唯一能查清的方式是通过 And the only way we were able to figure that out is through, 843 00:43:58,260 --> 00:44:01,470 尼尔·克拉克等人的证词 you know, Neil Clark and individuals telling us. 844 00:44:01,550 --> 00:44:03,840 (克拉克)你会给"当下世代"开支票 (CLARK) Well, you would write a check to Gen Now 845 00:44:04,010 --> 00:44:06,510 我们亲手把支票交给议长 (CLARK) and we would hand-deliver the check to the Speaker. 846 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:07,850 (卧底)"当下世代"是什么？ (UNDERCOVER) What's Gen Now? 847 00:44:07,930 --> 00:44:09,930 (克拉克)就是"当下世代" (CLARK) Generation Now. It's the Speaker's c4. 848 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,810 尼尔·克拉克与卧底的录音 That recording with Neil Clark and undercovers, 849 00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:14,900 这些非常关键 those were critical. 850 00:44:14,980 --> 00:44:17,020 极其重要 Those were very important 851 00:44:17,110 --> 00:44:20,360 将豪斯霍尔德与线索联系起来 to connect Householder and connect that dotted line. 852 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,700 银行记录里还有 And then there are, you know, 40 other clues 853 00:44:22,780 --> 00:44:25,030 约40条资金流向的线索 in the bank records about money going out 854 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,120 流向不同实体 to various entities. 855 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,740 于是你传唤这些实体 So then you subpoena those entities, 856 00:44:28,830 --> 00:44:30,700 要等30天才能拿回记录 it takes 30 days to get those records back, 857 00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:32,620 又发现40条新线索 and you see 40 more clues. 858 00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:35,290 再发出传票追查 Then you send out subpoenas to figure out where that is. 859 00:44:36,090 --> 00:44:37,840 这条资金链相当长 And the trail was quite long, 860 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,510 钱从"当下世代"流出 so the money would come from Generation Now. 861 00:44:41,050 --> 00:44:44,550 然后从"当下世代"流向另一个实体 Then from Generation Now, it would go to another entity. 862 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,800 可能是"增长与机遇政治行动委员会" So that would be Growth and Opportunity PAC, 863 00:44:46,890 --> 00:44:49,260 或是"增长与机遇联盟" it could be the Coalition for Growth and Opportunity, 864 00:44:49,350 --> 00:44:50,930 或是"勤劳俄亥俄人" it could be Hardworking Ohioans. 865 00:44:51,020 --> 00:44:53,890 这些钱最终用于 And from there it would benefit the Team Householder candidates 866 00:44:53,980 --> 00:44:56,980 投放攻击对手的负面广告 by running negative ads against their opponents. 867 00:44:58,230 --> 00:45:00,860 这些501(c)(4)组织的名字总让我发笑 It always cracks me up, the names of these 501(c)(4)s. 868 00:45:00,940 --> 00:45:03,900 都是些什么"俄亥俄爱狗协会" They're just, you know, "Ohioans for Pretty Puppies." 869 00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:05,200 之类的荒唐名字 You know, just crazy stuff. 870 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,780 名字越花哨越有问题 You know they're bad when they're that. 871 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,500 记得艾米丽向我解释时 I remember Emily explaining this to me, 872 00:45:15,580 --> 00:45:17,290 我感觉像癫痫发作 and I felt like I was having a seizure. 873 00:45:17,380 --> 00:45:20,380 他们最终绘制出图表 So they finally plotted it-- We plotted it all out, 874 00:45:20,460 --> 00:45:21,960 看起来就像 and it looked like, 875 00:45:22,050 --> 00:45:24,970 某种太空章鱼 you know, just some sort of space octopus. 876 00:45:25,630 --> 00:45:27,340 简直乱七八糟 I mean, it was just all over the place. 877 00:45:28,850 --> 00:45:32,350 "勤劳俄亥俄人"能在最后时刻 You know, Hardworking Ohioans was able to put out negative ads 878 00:45:32,430 --> 00:45:35,480 在几个关键选区投放负面广告 at the last minute in several key districts 879 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,110 对大选至关重要 that were very important for the general election. 880 00:45:38,190 --> 00:45:40,820 第43选区的J·托德·史密斯 J. Todd Smith, District 43. 881 00:45:43,150 --> 00:45:45,860 丹·弗利以127票之差落败 Dan Foley lost by like 127 votes. 882 00:45:46,820 --> 00:45:49,030 每张选票都关系到 So every vote mattered for Larry Householder's quest 883 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,160 拉里·豪斯霍尔德当议长的野心 to become Speaker. 884 00:45:51,370 --> 00:45:52,950 让我们一起低头祈祷 Let us bow in prayer together. 885 00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:56,540 他投入数十万美元 You know, he's putting hundreds of thousands of dollars 886 00:45:56,620 --> 00:45:59,750 支持他中意的候选人 into the candidates that he wants to support. 887 00:46:00,670 --> 00:46:03,510 对这类竞选来说是巨款 It's a huge amount of money in these types of races. 888 00:46:03,590 --> 00:46:06,630 这些钱直接转化为 And so that money translated directly 889 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:08,220 豪斯霍尔德的权力 into power for Householder. 890 00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:20,400 众议院议长一手遮天 The House Speaker rules the roost. 891 00:46:22,820 --> 00:46:26,320 我早就明白每个议院的头头 I learned early on that what the head of each chamber wants, 892 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:27,650 通常都能得偿所愿 they usually get. 893 00:46:28,570 --> 00:46:31,280 他或她决定着 He or she dictates who gets rewarded 894 00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:32,740 奖惩对象 and who gets punished, 895 00:46:32,830 --> 00:46:34,450 从而控制投票倾向 and, therefore, how they vote. 896 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,540 众议院议长根据 A House Speaker sets the legislative agenda 897 00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:43,000 特定捐款者或捐赠组织的友好程度 based on how friendly a particular contributor 898 00:46:43,090 --> 00:46:45,300 制定立法议程 or donor organization is. 899 00:46:46,050 --> 00:46:48,970 他们不想得罪大金主 They don't want to piss off their big-dollar donors. 900 00:46:49,890 --> 00:46:52,850 此外他们特别注重 In addition, they focus special attention 901 00:46:52,930 --> 00:46:56,600 争取核心选民群体的支持 to soliciting endorsements from their core base of voters. 902 00:46:57,180 --> 00:46:59,850 对共和党来说就是反堕胎群体 For Republicans, that's right-to-life. 903 00:47:03,230 --> 00:47:05,320 豪斯霍尔德的交易是这样的： Householder's deal went like this: 904 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,240 他用黑钱帮助反堕胎活动人士当选 he used dark money to help get anti-abortion activists elected. 905 00:47:10,740 --> 00:47:12,450 作为回报 To pay back the Speaker, 906 00:47:12,530 --> 00:47:14,660 他们会投票支持第6号众议院法案 they would vote for House Bill 6. 907 00:47:15,450 --> 00:47:17,540 作为忠诚的奖励 And as a reward for their loyalty, 908 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,420 豪斯霍尔德给了他们 Householder gave them a special gratuity 909 00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:21,880 一份法案形式的厚礼 in the shape of a bill. 910 00:47:23,130 --> 00:47:25,460 《人权保护法》是什么？ What's the Human Rights Protection Act? 911 00:47:26,670 --> 00:47:29,930 哦 我们叫它"心跳法案" Oh. We just call that the heartbeat bill. 912 00:47:30,930 --> 00:47:33,850 它实质上在怀孕六周后 It essentially bans abortion in Ohio 913 00:47:33,930 --> 00:47:36,720 禁止俄亥俄州的堕胎 about six weeks into a pregnancy. 914 00:47:36,810 --> 00:47:40,600 拉里·豪斯霍尔德2019年 Larry Householder brought it to the House floor in 2019. 915 00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:47,570 这是你能想象到最严苛的 It was one of the most draconian anti-abortion laws 916 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:49,240 反堕胎法律之一 that you can imagine. 917 00:47:49,570 --> 00:47:51,360 不要教会！不要政府！ Not the church! Not the state! 918 00:47:51,490 --> 00:47:53,240 患者必须决定自己的命运！ Patients must decide their fate! 919 00:47:53,620 --> 00:47:55,280 不要教会！不要政府！患者必须决定命运！ Not the church! Not the state! Patients must decide their fate! 920 00:47:55,370 --> 00:47:57,620 请旁听席保持... I'll ask the gallery to please-- please refrain... 921 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,830 这不是多数选民的观点 It's not the majority view of the voters. 922 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,210 但这种极端观点正强加给他们 And yet this extreme view is being imposed on them. 923 00:48:05,290 --> 00:48:07,920 许多反对者作证称 Many opponents of this bill have given testimony 924 00:48:08,010 --> 00:48:11,220 断言我和立法者将个人信仰 asserting that myself and legislators are injecting 925 00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:13,590 注入本法案 our personal faith into this bill. 926 00:48:14,970 --> 00:48:16,050 这不是事实 That is not true. 927 00:48:16,810 --> 00:48:19,520 《耶利米书》第一章第五节 Jeremiah the first chapter, verse five. 928 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,060 神在《旧约》中说 God says in the Old Testament, 929 00:48:22,140 --> 00:48:26,320 "我未将你造在腹中 就已认识你 "Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. 930 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,480 你未出生 我已将你分别为圣 Before you were born, I set you apart. 931 00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:33,200 我立你作列国的先知" I appointed you as a prophet to the nations." 932 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,700 我的问题是： My question would be this: 933 00:48:34,780 --> 00:48:38,450 神为何要在出生前 why would God call and appoint a mass of cells 934 00:48:38,540 --> 00:48:41,460 召唤并任命一团细胞为先知？ to be a prophet before he was born? 935 00:48:41,540 --> 00:48:42,870 谢谢议长先生 Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 936 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,880 问题是 法案是否通过？ Question is, shall the bill pass? 937 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,420 众议院准备就法案进行投票 The House will prepare and proceed to vote on the bill. 938 00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:49,840 可耻！可耻！ Shame! Shame! 939 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,590 法案就此通过并命名 The bill is hereby passed and titled. 940 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,510 可耻！可耻！可耻！可耻！ Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame! 941 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,480 我们面临严峻挑战 We have a daunting challenge here. 942 00:49:03,730 --> 00:49:06,100 我想每人都有笔 We have a pen for everyone, I think. 943 00:49:07,770 --> 00:49:09,820 不知道他们是否期待 I don't know if they were expecting 944 00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:14,570 这种法案会毫无争议地被接受 that that would just be accepted without controversy, 945 00:49:14,660 --> 00:49:17,910 但立刻就酿成了悲剧 but there was just an instant tragedy, really. 946 00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:21,240 一名十岁的强奸受害者 A ten-year-old girl who was a rape victim 947 00:49:21,330 --> 00:49:25,330 无法在俄亥俄州堕胎 was unable to get an abortion in Ohio. 948 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,580 她不得不离开本州 She had to leave the state 949 00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:29,750 前往印第安纳州 and go across the state lines to Indiana 950 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,970 才能获得所需的医疗服务 in order to get the health care she needed at that point, 951 00:49:34,050 --> 00:49:37,140 因为法律的极端性 because of the extremism of the law. 952 00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:41,010 一个十岁的强奸受害者 You have a ten-year-old rape victim 953 00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:44,140 无法在俄亥俄州获得这些服务 who cannot get these services anymore in Ohio. 954 00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:47,480 接到这种电话是什么感受？ What does it feel like on your end of that phone call? 955 00:49:49,020 --> 00:49:50,480 非常艰难 It's incredibly difficult. 956 00:49:50,570 --> 00:49:53,400 我们要把患者逼到 How long do we have to push it 957 00:49:53,490 --> 00:49:56,410 多么接近死亡的边缘 in how close we're going to get to the brink of death 958 00:49:56,490 --> 00:49:58,490 才能获得堕胎护理？ for patients needing abortion care? 959 00:49:59,030 --> 00:50:02,040 全州当选官员的反应 The reaction of the statewide elected officials 960 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,870 令人作呕 was disgusting. 961 00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:07,170 矢口否认 Denial. 962 00:50:07,250 --> 00:50:10,420 "这只是无稽之谈 "This is, you know-- this is just a fallacy. 963 00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:12,550 没有证据表明发生过" "There's no proof that this happened." 964 00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:17,260 我们不知道俄亥俄州 We don't know who the originating doctor in Ohio was. 965 00:50:17,340 --> 00:50:18,760 最初接诊的医生是谁 是否真实存在 If they even exist. 966 00:50:21,260 --> 00:50:24,980 那个孩子本不该遭受这些 That child should never have been put through that. 967 00:50:25,060 --> 00:50:28,770 她的家人也不该承受这些 The family should never have been put through that. 968 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,030 我们的系统彻底辜负了她 Our system failed. Completely failed that child. 969 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,780 没有选区划分不公 Without gerrymandering, 970 00:50:36,860 --> 00:50:39,740 就不会有心跳法案 you wouldn't have had the heartbeat bill. 971 00:50:40,410 --> 00:50:45,870 太多官员的普遍态度是 The prevailing attitude of too many officeholders 972 00:50:45,950 --> 00:50:48,920 "我们占多数 is that, "We've got a majority, 973 00:50:49,460 --> 00:50:51,420 可以为所欲为" we can do whatever we want." 974 00:50:57,130 --> 00:50:58,630 心跳法案通过后 After the heartbeat bill, 975 00:50:59,220 --> 00:51:01,760 豪斯霍尔德利用对立法机构的控制 Householder used his hold on the legislature 976 00:51:02,260 --> 00:51:05,060 试图以创纪录速度通过第6号法案 to try to pass HB6 in record time. 977 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,850 我们正在进行这项调查 We're doing this active investigation, 978 00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:11,100 还没理清头绪 and we hadn't put the pieces together. 979 00:51:11,650 --> 00:51:15,190 团队所有人都感到 I think all of us on the team felt internal pressure 980 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,360 需要为这种情况伸张正义 that we, you know, needed to bring justice to the situation. 981 00:51:19,450 --> 00:51:21,410 而且要尽快完成 And we needed to do it as swiftly as we could, 982 00:51:21,490 --> 00:51:23,120 同时也要彻底 but as thoroughly as we could, as well. 983 00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:27,540 我们早就知道"新一代"组织 So we knew about Generation Now. 984 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,040 知道有数百万美元 We knew about the millions and millions of dollars going 985 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,750 流入了这个501(c)(4)免税组织 into that 501(c)(4) while House Bill 6 was pending. 986 00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:39,380 但501(c)(4)组织允许 But a 501(c)(4) allows all of the people around 987 00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:42,840 所有相关人员隐藏身份 and involved in the 501(c)(4) to obscure that they're involved. 988 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,180 联邦调查员绞尽脑汁想查明 Federal investigators were desperate to figure out 989 00:51:48,270 --> 00:51:49,940 谁在资助"新一代" who was funding Generation Now. 990 00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:54,150 幸运的是 他们的特工正在共进晚餐 Luckily, their agents were having dinner 991 00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:56,900 与那个负责收钱的男人 with the very man who was collecting the money. 992 00:52:00,650 --> 00:52:03,990 (克拉克) 15万、20万或25万美元才够显眼 (CLARK) A noticeable number is 15, 20, $25,000. 993 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,540 (克拉克) 这才叫有分量的数字 (CLARK) Okay, that's a noticeable number. 994 00:52:06,620 --> 00:52:07,620 (卧底) 钱都去哪儿了？ (UNDERCOVER) And where does that go? 995 00:52:07,700 --> 00:52:08,750 (克拉克) 流入c4组织 (CLARK) Goes into a c4. 996 00:52:09,290 --> 00:52:11,580 (克拉克) 我是议长钦点的负责人 (CLARK) I'm the Speaker's appointed guy to do that. 997 00:52:11,710 --> 00:52:14,170 (克拉克) 就像他亲临现场一样 (CLARK) Okay, so it's like having him in the room. 998 00:52:14,250 --> 00:52:15,250 (克拉克) 明白吗？ (CLARK) Alright? 999 00:52:15,340 --> 00:52:16,590 (卧底) 我们这点小钱对他来说 (UNDERCOVER) Our little money to him is gonna be like 1000 00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:18,210 不过是给鲸鱼喂颗薄荷糖 giving a tic tac to a whale. 1001 00:52:18,340 --> 00:52:20,170 (克拉克) 但积少成多嘛 (CLARK) Yeah, but it's still, everything counts. 1002 00:52:20,340 --> 00:52:22,340 (克拉克) 你没法跟那些... (CLARK) You can't compete with these other people who have... 1003 00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:24,180 (克拉克) 那些坐拥数十亿的 (CLARK) You're talking about corporations 1004 00:52:24,260 --> 00:52:25,760 大企业比 (CLARK) that have billions of dollars. 1005 00:52:26,140 --> 00:52:28,640 (克拉克) 根本不是一个量级的 (CLARK) You can't compete with something like that. 1006 00:52:28,770 --> 00:52:30,140 (克拉克) 比如大型电力公司 (CLARK) You know a big utility company, 1007 00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:31,270 财大气粗的主儿 (CLARK) somebody that's got a lot of money, 1008 00:52:31,390 --> 00:52:32,520 (克拉克) 永远不差钱 (CLARK) that's gonna be around forever. 1009 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,060 (卧底) 比如那个第一...什么来着... (UNDERCOVER) Like that First... whatever the fuck... 1010 00:52:34,190 --> 00:52:35,190 (克拉克) 对 第一能源 (CLARK) Yeah, FirstEnergy. 1011 00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:36,520 (卧底) 第一能源是干啥的？ (UNDERCOVER) And FirstEnergy is what? 1012 00:52:36,650 --> 00:52:37,820 (卧底) 我正想问这个 (UNDERCOVER) Yeah that's what I was going to ask. 1013 00:52:37,900 --> 00:52:39,070 第一能源是谁？我孤陋寡闻 (UNDERCOVER) Who's FirstEnergy? I'm naïve. 1014 00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:40,530 (克拉克) 核电站运营商 (CLARK) Nuclear power plant. 1015 00:52:42,110 --> 00:52:43,860 我们掌握了通讯记录 We had communications. 1016 00:52:43,950 --> 00:52:45,870 大量间接证据 We had a lot of circumstantial evidence 1017 00:52:45,950 --> 00:52:48,080 证明豪斯霍尔德与第一能源有染 connecting Householder to FirstEnergy. 1018 00:52:49,660 --> 00:52:53,870 但要如何证明克拉克在录音中 But how do we prove that what Mr. Clark is saying on the recordings 1019 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,250 对卧底说的话确有其事？ to the undercovers is what's really going on? 1020 00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,960 我需要哪些证人 What witnesses do I need 1021 00:53:00,050 --> 00:53:03,380 来佐证这些录音的细节？ to corroborate the details of those recordings? 1022 00:53:10,890 --> 00:53:14,640 在众议院第6号法案 After House Bill 6 was signed into law 1023 00:53:14,730 --> 00:53:16,100 经俄亥俄州长签署生效后 by the Ohio governor, 1024 00:53:16,650 --> 00:53:19,070 出现了废除该法案的呼声 there was a repeal effort 1025 00:53:19,150 --> 00:53:23,070 由相关利益团体联盟发起 that was initiated by a coalition of interested parties. 1026 00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:25,030 拒绝纾困！ No more bailouts! 1027 00:53:25,110 --> 00:53:27,410 我们认为不该用纳税人的钱 We think we shouldn't be having to bail out 1028 00:53:27,490 --> 00:53:29,620 拯救濒临破产的核电站！ failing nuclear power plants! 1029 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,910 消费者团体、环保组织 The consumer groups and the environmental groups 1030 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,290 还有石油天然气公司 他们联手 and the oil and gas, they kind of joined forces 1031 00:53:36,370 --> 00:53:38,840 决定发起公投 and they decided to do a referendum. 1032 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,800 由此开启了为期90天的 And it starts a 90-day clock 1033 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,380 征集大量签名的倒计时 to gather an enormous number of signatures. 1034 00:53:43,470 --> 00:53:45,840 需要收集数十万选民签名 Hundreds of thousands of signatures from voters 1035 00:53:45,930 --> 00:53:48,050 才能将提案列入全州投票 to then put it on the statewide ballot, 1036 00:53:48,140 --> 00:53:50,970 由选民决定是否支持该法案 and then the voters would say, "Yes, we like this law," 1037 00:53:51,060 --> 00:53:52,930 或者"我们反对并否决它" or, "No, we do not, and we reject it." 1038 00:53:53,020 --> 00:53:55,020 我十岁起就认识的挚友 My best friend that I've known since I was ten years old 1039 00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:56,730 打电话跟我说 called me and said, 1040 00:53:56,810 --> 00:53:58,860 "废除法案阵营需要人手 "The repeal side needs somebody 1041 00:53:58,940 --> 00:54:00,940 负责中俄亥俄地区的行动 to manage their efforts in Central Ohio. 1042 00:54:01,940 --> 00:54:03,030 你有兴趣吗？" Would you be interested?" 1043 00:54:04,610 --> 00:54:06,740 我是共和党中的异类 I was one of those weird Republicans 1044 00:54:06,820 --> 00:54:09,490 一直关心环保问题 who always cared about the environment. 1045 00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:13,250 所以我很兴奋有机会 So I was excited at the opportunity 1046 00:54:13,330 --> 00:54:16,330 领导这项由公民发起的投票倡议 to lead a citizen-led ballot initiative. 1047 00:54:17,620 --> 00:54:21,170 于是我告诉他我有兴趣参与废除行动 So I told him I was interested in the repeal role, 1048 00:54:21,250 --> 00:54:23,380 但需要先进行一些沟通 but that I needed to have some conversations first. 1049 00:54:26,510 --> 00:54:29,180 我从小就对政治着迷 I got bit by the political bug really, really young. 1050 00:54:30,430 --> 00:54:32,890 一直都是共和党阵营？ And always from the Republican side? 1051 00:54:32,970 --> 00:54:34,220 没错 一直都是 Always, yeah. 1052 00:54:35,310 --> 00:54:37,440 要知道 在俄亥俄州诺克斯县长大 You know, growing up in Knox County, Ohio, 1053 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,860 那里非常乡村 非常保守 it's very rural, it's very conservative. 1054 00:54:40,940 --> 00:54:43,610 我的家庭也非常保守 And my family is very conservative. 1055 00:54:43,690 --> 00:54:47,990 但我更专注于寻找 But a lot of my focus was on finding common ground 1056 00:54:48,070 --> 00:54:50,370 不同意识形态人群之间的共同点 between people of different ideologies. 1057 00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:52,830 你最初是怎么认识马特·博尔赫斯的？ How'd you first meet Matt Borges? 1058 00:54:53,540 --> 00:54:57,910 天啊 那要追溯到2008年 Oh gosh. So back in 2008, 1059 00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,330 我是全美最年轻的 I was the youngest McCain campaign staffer 1060 00:55:01,420 --> 00:55:02,790 麦凯恩竞选团队成员 in the United States. 1061 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,380 那时我认识了马特·博尔赫斯 During that time, I met Matt Borges. 1062 00:55:06,460 --> 00:55:09,220 他深谙政治之道 He was deeply involved in politics. 1063 00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:11,930 我们有些新晋成员 We have some first-time members, 1064 00:55:12,010 --> 00:55:14,970 我想先说一句 who I want to just say, off the bat, 1065 00:55:15,060 --> 00:55:16,680 欢迎加入建制派 welcome to the establishment. 1066 00:55:18,770 --> 00:55:20,650 他认识约翰·麦凯恩 He knew John McCain. 1067 00:55:20,730 --> 00:55:22,770 他们私交甚笃 I mean, they talked personally. 1068 00:55:23,980 --> 00:55:25,900 他就是那种政坛老手 He's just one of those guys in politics you look up to 1069 00:55:25,980 --> 00:55:28,280 让年轻的政治新秀仰望 as a young, hungry political kid. 1070 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:30,990 随着岁月流逝 And then as the years went on, 1071 00:55:31,070 --> 00:55:33,280 我们保持着规律的联系 we'd communicate fairly regularly. 1072 00:55:34,450 --> 00:55:37,500 周日下午我们会互发短信 Sunday afternoons, we'd spend kind of texting each other, 1073 00:55:37,580 --> 00:55:39,580 聊新英格兰爱国者队 talking about the New England Patriots. 1074 00:55:39,710 --> 00:55:41,000 爱国者队达阵！ Touchdown, Patriots! 1075 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:42,580 我视他为人生导师 I considered him a mentor. 1076 00:55:43,790 --> 00:55:47,340 马特将站在支持第6号法案的阵营 Matt was going to be on the pro-House Bill 6 side. 1077 00:55:47,420 --> 00:55:51,340 于是我打电话给他 他说"政治就是这么运作的 So I called him and he said, "That's the way politics works. 1078 00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:53,550 有时我们立场相左很正常 We're going to be on opposite sides sometimes. 1079 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,510 你应该接受这份工作 机会难得" You should take the job. It's an incredible opportunity." 1080 00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:57,930 于是我接下了这个角色 And I took the role. 1081 00:55:58,020 --> 00:56:01,520 没过多久 And it wasn't long after that 1082 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:02,900 情况就急转直下 things kind of went downhill. 1083 00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:07,690 (豪斯霍尔德) 至关重要... (HOUSEHOLDER) It is so important... 1084 00:56:08,610 --> 00:56:12,200 (豪斯霍尔德) 至关重要... (HOUSEHOLDER) it is so important... that they're not successful 1085 00:56:12,780 --> 00:56:16,410 (豪斯霍尔德) 因为当立法机构投票通过某项法案 (HOUSEHOLDER) because when the legislature votes on something 1086 00:56:16,620 --> 00:56:18,080 (豪斯霍尔德) 就必须维持法律效力 (HOUSEHOLDER) it needs to stay law. 1087 00:56:18,330 --> 00:56:20,460 (众议员爱德华兹) 这关系到你议长任期的开端 (REP. EDWARDS) And it's the beginning of your Speakership. 1088 00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:21,660 (众议员爱德华兹) 开了个坏先例 (REP. EDWARDS) It sets a bad precedent 1089 00:56:21,790 --> 00:56:23,000 未来六年都会受影响 for the next six years and stuff. 1090 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,500 (众议员爱德华兹) 必须让他们明白 (REP. EDWARDS) We're gonna need to make them realize 1091 00:56:24,580 --> 00:56:25,710 (众议员爱德华兹) 你不好惹 (REP. EDWARDS) you can't be fucked with. 1092 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,510 (克拉克) 这是在向所有人传递信号 (CLARK) It sends the message to everybody else is that 1093 00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:30,920 (克拉克) 无论是针对议题还是议员 (CLARK) whether it's an issue or the members 1094 00:56:31,050 --> 00:56:33,510 (克拉克) 谁敢攻击党团 攻击成员 (CLARK) you attack the caucus, you attack a member, 1095 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,260 (克拉克) 我们就让他吃不了兜着走 (CLARK) we're gonna fucking rip your dick off. 1096 00:56:37,390 --> 00:56:40,520 如果需要有人充当豪斯霍尔德的打手 If someone was needed to be Householder's dick-ripper, 1097 00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:44,400 尼尔·克拉克绝对会毛遂自荐 Neil Clark was only too happy to volunteer for the job. 1098 00:56:46,860 --> 00:56:49,860 为准备公投 我们委托进行了民调 In preparation for the referendum, we commissioned a poll. 1099 00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:54,490 结论是如果收集到足够签名 Our conclusion was if enough signatures were collected 1100 00:56:54,570 --> 00:56:56,410 将废除案列入投票 to put the referendum on the ballot, 1101 00:56:56,490 --> 00:56:57,740 我们必败无疑 we would lose. 1102 00:56:59,490 --> 00:57:01,870 唯一解决办法就是确保 The only solution was to ensure 1103 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,750 对方无法收集到规定数量的签名 the opposition did not get the required signatures. 1104 00:57:08,420 --> 00:57:11,340 今天我在此呼吁废除第6号法案 Today, I'm here to speak to you about repealing House Bill 6 1105 00:57:11,420 --> 00:57:13,260 及其对俄亥俄州民众的重要性 and why it matters to Ohioans. 1106 00:57:15,140 --> 00:57:18,810 我刚加入废除阵营不久 Shortly after I started on the repeal side, 1107 00:57:18,890 --> 00:57:21,020 马特就联系我喝咖啡 Matt reached out and asked me to get coffee. 1108 00:57:22,180 --> 00:57:24,890 我们在哥伦布市的星巴克见面 We met at a Starbucks in Columbus. 1109 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,020 起初很平常 It started innocent. 1110 00:57:30,110 --> 00:57:32,280 他询问我近况 He was asking me how things were going. 1111 00:57:33,150 --> 00:57:34,320 就像往常一样 It was a normal conversation, 1112 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,660 我们进行过千百次的普通对话 just like we'd had a thousand times before. 1113 00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:38,490 但画风突变 But it changed. 1114 00:57:39,660 --> 00:57:41,370 马特告诉我 Matt told me 1115 00:57:41,950 --> 00:57:44,790 希望我提供 that he wanted me to feed him information 1116 00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:46,790 来自竞选团队内部的机密信息 from the inside of the campaign. 1117 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,130 他说如果我能透露 He said that if I could provide him 1118 00:57:49,210 --> 00:57:52,840 我们收集到的签名数量 with numbers of how many signatures we had collected, 1119 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,510 签名征集者的位置信息 the locations of the signature gatherers, 1120 00:57:55,590 --> 00:57:57,050 我的调查员行踪 of my canvassers, 1121 00:57:57,140 --> 00:57:59,100 以及其他他需要的细节 and other details that he might need, 1122 00:57:59,180 --> 00:58:01,470 他就能成为他那边的"英雄" that he would be a "hero" to his side. 1123 00:58:02,350 --> 00:58:04,680 他还向我保证 And he told me that 1124 00:58:04,770 --> 00:58:07,270 会确保我得到丰厚回报 he would make sure I was taken care of. 1125 00:58:08,810 --> 00:58:10,860 他了解我的困境 He knew about things I had struggled with. 1126 00:58:10,940 --> 00:58:13,820 知道我正为...发愁 He knew that I had some concerns related to... 1127 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:16,450 女儿监护权的问题 the custody of my daughter. 1128 00:58:16,530 --> 00:58:18,990 我想争取更多陪伴时间 I wanted to get more time with my daughter. 1129 00:58:19,070 --> 00:58:21,530 他问我律师费需要多少 He asked me how much the legal bills would be. 1130 00:58:21,620 --> 00:58:26,210 他说"随便开价 选辆车 He told me, "You know, you pick a salary, pick a car. 1131 00:58:26,330 --> 00:58:28,960 想要什么我们都满足" Whatever you want, we will take care of you." 1132 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,710 这太诡异了 It just-- it was such a weird situation. 1133 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,090 我认识并信任的人 I have this guy that I know and trust, 1134 00:58:35,170 --> 00:58:38,380 熟知我的私密生活细节 who knows deeply personal details about my life, 1135 00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:41,140 却利用这些信息 utilizing those things he knew 1136 00:58:41,220 --> 00:58:44,180 试图让我出卖团队 to try and get me to sell my team down the river 1137 00:58:44,270 --> 00:58:46,270 当个间谍 and essentially spy 1138 00:58:46,350 --> 00:58:48,270 监视我所效力的组织 on the organization that I worked for, 1139 00:58:48,350 --> 00:58:50,650 而我其实支持这个事业 for a cause that I actually believed in. 1140 00:58:50,730 --> 00:58:52,480 我怒火中烧 I was angry, 1141 00:58:52,980 --> 00:58:54,320 但也胆战心惊 but I was also terrified. 1142 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,650 既然他敢这样践踏我们的友谊 If he was willing to violate our friendship that way, 1143 00:58:56,740 --> 00:58:58,990 我立刻想到了最坏的情况 my mind immediately went worst-case scenario 1144 00:58:59,070 --> 00:59:01,070 要是我拒绝会怎样？ and I thought, what if I say no? 1145 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:02,830 他究竟会做出什么事？ Like, what is he going to do? 1146 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,750 我离开了星巴克 I left the Starbucks. 1147 00:59:09,170 --> 00:59:10,960 告诉他我需要考虑一晚上 I told him I needed to think about it overnight. 1148 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,880 我当时仍处于精神恍惚的状态 I was just still in kind of a frenzy. 1149 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,170 我给马特发了条短信 I sent Matt a text message, and I said, 1150 00:59:16,260 --> 00:59:19,010 "如果我照你的要求去做 "If I did what you were asking me to do, 1151 00:59:19,090 --> 00:59:23,260 就不再是你当初看中的那个人了 I would not be the person that you have invested so much in, 1152 00:59:23,350 --> 00:59:25,220 我会变成另一个人 I would not be that person. 1153 00:59:25,310 --> 00:59:26,980 所以我的答案是不" So my answer is no." 1154 00:59:28,890 --> 00:59:30,350 然后我收到回复 And I get a text. 1155 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,480 "永远别告诉任何人这次谈话内容" "Don't ever tell anyone about this conversation." 1156 00:59:38,780 --> 00:59:40,200 我打给了最好的朋友 I called my best friend. 1157 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,450 他说："我觉得你该向执法部门举报 He said, "I think you need to report this to law enforcement. 1158 00:59:44,740 --> 00:59:47,620 我在FBI有熟人" I have a contact with the FBI." 1159 00:59:47,700 --> 00:59:49,830 于是我们约了第二天见面 So we set up a meeting for the very next day. 1160 00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:51,500 他们说："不如在格雷特冰激凌店碰头？" They said, "Why don't you meet me at Graeter's?" 1161 00:59:51,580 --> 00:59:53,130 我当时还纳闷 And I remember thinking, 1162 00:59:53,210 --> 00:59:55,630 "FBI约我在冰激凌店见面？ the FBI wants to meet me in an ice cream shop? 1163 00:59:55,710 --> 00:59:57,550 不是应该像电影里那样 Aren't we supposed to meet, like, in a parking lot 1164 00:59:57,630 --> 00:59:59,340 在停车场黑色轿车里秘密接头吗？" in, like, a dark car and-- 1165 00:59:59,420 --> 01:00:00,840 或者搞些隐蔽行动？ or like, some clandestine thing? 1166 01:00:00,930 --> 01:00:02,930 好吧，格雷特冰激凌店见" Sure, I'll meet you at Graeter's. 1167 01:00:03,010 --> 01:00:05,470 他家冰激凌绝了，全城最佳 Amazing ice cream. Like, the best. 1168 01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:12,400 泰勒是在马特·博尔赫斯接触他后 Tyler came to us after Matt Borges approached him. 1169 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,230 他拒绝了对方 He said no. 1170 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,730 然后直接联系了FBI And then he went right to the FBI, 1171 01:00:17,820 --> 01:00:21,860 FBI说："猜怎么着？去答应他" and the FBI said, "Guess what? Go say yes." 1172 01:00:21,950 --> 01:00:24,990 我们问他是否愿意 We asked him if he would be willing 1173 01:00:25,070 --> 01:00:28,870 自愿佩戴录音设备 to voluntarily wear a recording device 1174 01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:30,240 重新接触马特·博尔赫斯 and to re-engage Matt Borges 1175 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,070 配合演戏 and to play along. 1176 01:00:34,790 --> 01:00:36,040 （博尔赫斯）喂？ (BORGES) Hello? 1177 01:00:37,050 --> 01:00:38,300 （费尔曼）嗨，有空吗？ (FEHRMAN) Hey, you got a minute? 1178 01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:41,300 （博尔赫斯）有，我刚出车库，怎么了？ (BORGES) Yeah, I'm pulling out of the garage. What's going on? 1179 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:42,880 （费尔曼）有个问题想问你 (FEHRMAN) I got a question for you. 1180 01:00:43,010 --> 01:00:46,890 （费尔曼）我知道我们前几天坐下来谈的时候 (FEHRMAN) I know when we sat down the other day and talked, 1181 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,730 （费尔曼）我当天后来的回复可能有点... (FEHRMAN) I think my response later that day was a little bit... 1182 01:00:50,890 --> 01:00:54,020 （费尔曼）大概是我当时太震惊了 (FEHRMAN) Probably just me, like, taken aback a bit. 1183 01:00:54,190 --> 01:00:55,360 -（博尔赫斯）明白 -（费尔曼）但是... (BORGES) Okay. (FEHRMAN) But... 1184 01:00:55,770 --> 01:00:59,280 （费尔曼）我上周见了律师 (FEHRMAN) I had a meeting with my attorney this past week 1185 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,320 （费尔曼）关于诺拉的法律事务 (FEHRMAN) I've got more legal stuff to take care of 1186 01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,660 比我想象的复杂 as far as Nora goes than I thought. 1187 01:01:03,820 --> 01:01:08,740 （费尔曼）所以...想重新讨论下之前的提议 (FEHRMAN) And so, so I'm wondering if we can revisit what we discussed, 1188 01:01:08,910 --> 01:01:12,660 （费尔曼）因为有些事必须处理 (FEHRMAN) because I have stuff I have to get taken care of. 1189 01:01:12,830 --> 01:01:13,830 （博尔赫斯）当然可以 (BORGES) Of course we can. 1190 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,580 （博尔赫斯）你知道我乐意帮忙 (BORGES) You know, obviously I want to help you. 1191 01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:18,960 （博尔赫斯）显然你可以信任我 (BORGES) Obviously you know that you can trust me. 1192 01:01:20,380 --> 01:01:23,930 （博尔赫斯）至于那种... (BORGES) To the extent that there's, like, this notion that... 1193 01:01:24,090 --> 01:01:25,760 （博尔赫斯）说什么你在当间谍 (BORGES) I don't know, you're spying 1194 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,600 （博尔赫斯）出卖灵魂之类的鬼话 or selling your soul or something like that, 1195 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,060 （博尔赫斯）我压根不这么想 (BORGES) I mean, I just, I just didn't see it that way. 1196 01:01:30,890 --> 01:01:32,850 （博尔赫斯）我只想知道到底什么情况 (BORGES) I just wanna know what the fuck is going on. 1197 01:01:33,020 --> 01:01:35,730 （博尔赫斯）朋友之间就该聊这些 (BORGES) This is stuff that, like, friends would discuss. 1198 01:01:35,900 --> 01:01:38,610 （费尔曼）对，说实话我们上次谈话 (FEHRMAN) Right, yeah and I, honestly I think our conversation 1199 01:01:38,690 --> 01:01:39,770 让我觉得 I was just like, 1200 01:01:39,940 --> 01:01:43,400 （费尔曼）"靠，这事比我想象的严重多了" (FEHRMAN) "Fuck, like this is so much bigger than I think I realized." 1201 01:01:43,570 --> 01:01:45,110 （费尔曼）我知道事情不简单，但... (FEHRMAN) I knew there was a lot going on, but... 1202 01:01:45,860 --> 01:01:47,070 （费尔曼）所以... (FEHRMAN) So... 1203 01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,870 （费尔曼）具体怎么操作？ (FEHRMAN) Well, so how would this work? 1204 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,460 （费尔曼）你需要我做什么，我能得到... (FEHRMAN) What do you need from me, and what do I... 1205 01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:57,130 （费尔曼）你知道...我能得到什么？ (FEHRMAN) You know, like what... what do I get? 1206 01:01:57,290 --> 01:01:58,790 （费尔曼）这么问可能有点怪 (FEHRMAN) That feels like a weird question 1207 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,840 但怎么安排？ but like what can we arrange? 1208 01:02:03,170 --> 01:02:05,630 （博尔赫斯）要不改天坐下来详谈？ (BORGES) I don't know, let's sit down and discuss it again. 1209 01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,390 他说："你有点吓到我了" He was like, "You're kinda freaking me out a little bit." 1210 01:02:07,470 --> 01:02:08,680 我必须演得更逼真 And I had to sell it to him. 1211 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,470 （博尔赫斯）两三天前 (BORGES) Two nights ago, three nights ago, whenever it was 1212 01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,480 （博尔赫斯）你发短信说人格尊严无价 (BORGES) you texted me and your personal integrity was not for sale. 1213 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,100 （费尔曼）对 (FEHRMAN) Right. 1214 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:20,520 （博尔赫斯）你该不会是在给我下套吧？ (BORGES) I mean, you're not like trying to set me up here, are you? 1215 01:02:21,980 --> 01:02:23,440 （费尔曼）不是，事情是这样的 (FEHRMAN) No, and here's the thing, 1216 01:02:23,610 --> 01:02:26,360 （费尔曼）我有必须处理的事 (FEHRMAN) for me it's, I have stuff that I need taken care of. 1217 01:02:26,530 --> 01:02:28,030 （费尔曼）越想越觉得 (FEHRMAN) The more I think about, like, 1218 01:02:28,110 --> 01:02:29,620 我们谈的事其实... what we talked about, it's just... 1219 01:02:29,780 --> 01:02:32,240 （费尔曼）我觉得透露请愿者位置 (FEHRMAN) I don't think that knowing the locations of petitioners 1220 01:02:32,410 --> 01:02:34,120 （费尔曼）对项目没实质损害 (FEHRMAN) actually does any damage to the project. 1221 01:02:34,330 --> 01:02:37,580 （费尔曼）而且你一直对我不薄 (FEHRMAN) And you've always been good to me so it's not... 1222 01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:38,710 （博尔赫斯）好吧 (BORGES) Okay. 1223 01:02:39,540 --> 01:02:44,710 （博尔赫斯）因为要真是陷阱就糟了 (BORGES) 'Cause, it just better not be that. 1224 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,470 （博尔赫斯）这事曝光对我们都不利 (BORGES) That will be bad for both of us if a story like that came out, 1225 01:02:47,630 --> 01:02:50,140 （博尔赫斯）但你会更惨 (BORGES) but it would be worse for you. 1226 01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:52,350 （费尔曼）明白，我懂 (FEHRMAN) Right, no, I understand that, and 1227 01:02:52,510 --> 01:02:55,180 （费尔曼）你也得理解我的处境... (FEHRMAN) you have to understand, like I'm... 1228 01:02:55,350 --> 01:02:58,600 （费尔曼）我车里随时放着 (FEHRMAN) Riding in the back window of my car at all times is 1229 01:02:58,770 --> 01:03:00,650 （费尔曼）你送我的新英格兰爱国者队 (FEHRMAN) my Matt Borges New England Patriots 1230 01:03:00,730 --> 01:03:03,110 超级碗纪念帽 Super Bowl hat, like that's... 1231 01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:05,360 （费尔曼）我懂规矩 (FEHRMAN) I get it. 1232 01:03:05,530 --> 01:03:06,530 （博尔赫斯）嗯 (BORGES) Yeah. 1233 01:03:06,650 --> 01:03:08,950 （博尔赫斯）抱歉，你刚才电话吓到我了 (BORGES) Sorry, you creeped me out when you called me a little bit ago. 1234 01:03:09,110 --> 01:03:10,740 （博尔赫斯）我再考虑下 (BORGES) I'm gonna think about this for a little bit. 1235 01:03:10,910 --> 01:03:11,910 （博尔赫斯）回头联系你 (BORGES) I'll get back in touch with you. 1236 01:03:12,620 --> 01:03:13,950 说到底 At the end of the day, 1237 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:15,870 我不确定是否需要大费周章说服他 I don't know if it took a lot of convincing. 1238 01:03:15,950 --> 01:03:20,080 马特·博尔赫斯当时急于证明价值 I think Matt Borges was desperate to prove his worth 1239 01:03:20,170 --> 01:03:24,750 给其他共犯看，贪婪占了上风 to the other co-conspirators, and so greed took over. 1240 01:03:32,090 --> 01:03:35,430 我收到参加周日策划电话会议的邀请 I got the request to attend a Sunday planning conference call. 1241 01:03:36,770 --> 01:03:41,810 议程包括民调、HB6法律问题 The proposed agenda items included polling, HB6 legal issues, 1242 01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:44,730 以及挫败公投的策略 and strategies for defeating the referendum. 1243 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,030 会议气氛高度紧张 The call was high stress. 1244 01:03:48,110 --> 01:03:50,990 马特·博尔赫斯开始用暗语交流 Matt Borges then starts talking in code. 1245 01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:53,910 后来我才明白原因 Later, I would understand why. 1246 01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,160 博尔赫斯雇了个间谍 Borges had hired a spy. 1247 01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,760 这段时间我常感觉像在演电影 There were moments during this time that I felt like I was in a movie. 1248 01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:12,760 记得在与马特会面前 I remember getting a phone call before I was going to meet 1249 01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,890 接到FBI的电话 with Matt from the FBI. 1250 01:04:14,970 --> 01:04:17,850 他们问："你常穿Under Armour棒球帽吧？" They said, "You wear an Under Armour ball cap, right?" 1251 01:04:17,930 --> 01:04:20,390 我说："对，我是个秃头 I said, "Yeah, I'm a bald guy. 1252 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,810 得防晒" I try to keep my head out of the sun." 1253 01:04:22,900 --> 01:04:25,520 他们说："好的" 就挂了 They're like, "Alright, cool." That was it. 1254 01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,820 我坐进警车后，他们说："戴上这个" I get in the cruiser, they go, "We want you to wear this." 1255 01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:33,740 就是和我日常戴的同款棒球帽 And it's-- it's like the same ball cap that I wear every day. 1256 01:04:33,820 --> 01:04:36,910 但帽檐内侧的吸汗带里 But tucked up under the... 1257 01:04:36,990 --> 01:04:40,750 藏了个微型录音设备 kind of the sweatband in the hat was a very small recording device. 1258 01:04:41,870 --> 01:04:44,290 他们还叮嘱："到星巴克后 They also told me, "When you get to the Starbucks, 1259 01:04:44,380 --> 01:04:46,630 先点饮料 go in, order your drink, 1260 01:04:48,050 --> 01:04:52,010 坐在上次的露天座位" sit in the same spot you sat last time, out on the patio." 1261 01:04:52,090 --> 01:04:53,430 我问："要是有人占座呢？" And I was like, "What if somebody is sitting there?" 1262 01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:54,890 他们说："会有的 And they said, "Oh, there will be. 1263 01:04:54,970 --> 01:04:57,220 戴这个，在看这本书 He'll be wearing this, he'll be reading a book. 1264 01:04:57,310 --> 01:04:58,510 别看他，别搭话 Don't look at him, don't talk to him. 1265 01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,140 点完饮料座位就会空出来" Just go in and order a drink and then your seat will free up." 1266 01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,190 这个案子的特殊之处在于 What was unique about this particular situation 1267 01:05:06,270 --> 01:05:09,780 马特·博尔赫斯雇了私家侦探 is Matt Borges had private investigators 1268 01:05:09,860 --> 01:05:11,900 跟踪泰勒·费尔曼 who were following Tyler Fehrman. 1269 01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:15,620 而我们又在监视那些侦探 And then we were observing the private investigators 1270 01:05:15,700 --> 01:05:17,200 他们跟踪费尔曼 who were following Fehrman, 1271 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,290 我们监视费尔曼与博尔赫斯会面 while we were observing Fehrman meeting Matt Borges. 1272 01:05:20,370 --> 01:05:21,830 所以导致... So it made for... 1273 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,540 停车场相当拥挤 a congested parking lot. 1274 01:05:31,130 --> 01:05:32,130 （博尔赫斯）怎么了？ (BORGES) What's happening? 1275 01:05:32,210 --> 01:05:34,510 （费尔曼）在看周末的梦幻联赛比分 (FEHRMAN) Sitting here reviewing my fantasy score from the weekend. 1276 01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:35,760 （博尔赫斯）老兄 (BORGES) Dude. 1277 01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:38,220 （博尔赫斯）最近如何？ (BORGES) How are things? 1278 01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:40,850 （费尔曼）累瘫了，竞选生活 (FEHRMAN) I'm exhausted, campaign life. 1279 01:05:41,060 --> 01:05:42,600 （博尔赫斯）我们最初谈话时... (BORGES) In the original conversation we had... 1280 01:05:42,770 --> 01:05:43,770 （费尔曼）对 (FEHRMAN) Right. 1281 01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,650 （博尔赫斯）我考虑这样安排... (BORGES) I was thinking about structuring that this way... 1282 01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,190 （博尔赫斯）支付... (BORGES) Pay... 1283 01:05:51,860 --> 01:05:54,240 （博尔赫斯）先付1.5万定金 (BORGES) pay a $15,000 retainer now 1284 01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,410 （博尔赫斯）结束后再付1万 and a $10,000 retainer when it's over. 1285 01:05:56,570 --> 01:05:57,570 （费尔曼）行 (FEHRMAN) Okay. 1286 01:06:01,410 --> 01:06:02,870 （博尔赫斯） 他们最想知道的一件事 (BORGES) One thing they're dying to know 1287 01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:04,830 就是你们目前收集了多少签名 is how many signatures you've got so far. 1288 01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,580 -（费尔曼）没错 -（博尔赫斯）他们对此垂涎三尺 -(FEHRMAN) Right. -(BORGES) They're dying to know that. 1289 01:06:06,750 --> 01:06:07,710 （费尔曼） 好的 (FEHRMAN) Okay. 1290 01:06:08,130 --> 01:06:10,000 （博尔赫斯） 这对他们来说是财务决策 (BORGES) It's a financial decision for them. 1291 01:06:10,170 --> 01:06:11,250 （博尔赫斯） 你们能搞定吗？ (BORGES) Are you gonna make it? 1292 01:06:11,340 --> 01:06:13,590 你们实际拿到了多少签名？ How many signatures do you actually have? 1293 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:14,760 （费尔曼） 明白 (FEHRMAN) Right. 1294 01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:15,840 （博尔赫斯） 因为如果他们觉得你们能成 (BORGES) 'Cause if they think you are, 1295 01:06:15,930 --> 01:06:16,930 他们就会开始咄咄逼人 they're gonna start getting aggressive 1296 01:06:17,010 --> 01:06:18,590 （博尔赫斯）比如，你知道的 对人发号施令 (BORGES) in terms of, you know, telling people what to do. 1297 01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,930 （博尔赫斯） 要是觉得你们可能不行... (BORGES) If they think you might not... 1298 01:06:21,100 --> 01:06:23,020 （博尔赫斯）他们可能就袖手旁观 听天由命 (BORGES) they might sit back and take their chances. 1299 01:06:23,180 --> 01:06:24,230 （费尔曼） 明白 (FEHRMAN) Right. 1300 01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,100 之前开了很多次会 There were multiple meetings. 1301 01:06:26,190 --> 01:06:29,400 大多数时候我们尽量简化 跟老百姓打交道 Really, most of the time, we try to keep it simple with folks, 1302 01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,610 我们就说"让当事人自己说" and we just say, "Let the subject talk." 1303 01:06:33,570 --> 01:06:34,900 我们想听到 We want to hear 1304 01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:37,410 他们的真实意图 their true intentions. 1305 01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,070 （博尔赫斯） 尼尔开会时总爱说 (BORGES) Neil sits in meetings, and he’ll say, 1306 01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,990 （博尔赫斯）"我代表议长参会 (BORGES) "I’m the proxy for the Speaker in this meeting, 1307 01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:43,290 所以跟我说就等于..." so tell, anything you tell me..." 1308 01:06:43,370 --> 01:06:47,080 （博尔赫斯）你会觉得又是尼尔在吹牛 (BORGES) And you kind of think like it’s typical Neil bullshit stuff, 1309 01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:48,330 （博尔赫斯） 但这次是真的 (BORGES) except it isn’t. 1310 01:06:48,370 --> 01:06:49,380 （费尔曼） 是啊 (FEHRMAN) Yeah. 1311 01:06:49,460 --> 01:06:51,960 我们讨论了很多关于尼尔·克拉克 和拉里·豪斯霍尔德的事 We had talked a lot about Neil Clark and Larry Householder, 1312 01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:56,470 还有这个小团体如何密谋 通过各种会议 and this cabal that was working and having all of these meetings 1313 01:06:56,550 --> 01:06:59,680 千方百计扼杀废除法案的行动 to try and do everything they could to shut down the repeal effort. 1314 01:07:00,260 --> 01:07:02,890 他明确表示会不择手段 And he made it clear they would do anything. 1315 01:07:03,390 --> 01:07:06,930 我预感事情远不止表面这么简单 I knew there was much more going on. I just had a gut feeling. 1316 01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,110 要是你对金钱的力量还有怀疑 If you have any doubts about the importance of money, 1317 01:07:14,190 --> 01:07:17,190 我很乐意听听你的高见 I'm sure open to hearing your point of view. 1318 01:07:17,780 --> 01:07:21,530 可悲的是 金钱能解决绝大多数问题 Because sadly, money can cure most problems. 1319 01:07:23,030 --> 01:07:25,200 反对派先发制人 It was the opponents who drew first blood 1320 01:07:25,290 --> 01:07:26,540 投放了适度的电视广告 with a modest TV buy. 1321 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:28,330 我们又做了民调 We polled again. 1322 01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,420 对HB6法案的支持率暴跌20% Support for HB6 dropped 20 points. 1323 01:07:33,090 --> 01:07:35,710 幸好同一民调显示 Fortunately, that same poll showed 1324 01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,840 88%的俄亥俄人反对中国等外国 投资本州电网 Ohioans were 88% against foreign countries like China 1325 01:07:39,930 --> 01:07:42,510 investing in Ohio's energy grid. 1326 01:07:43,260 --> 01:07:45,640 豪斯霍尔德和我亲自操刀 写电视广告脚本 Householder and I would write the TV scripts 1327 01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,060 接下来几个月都在忙这个 for the next few months. 1328 01:07:47,140 --> 01:07:49,190 他们抢走了我们的制造业岗位 They took our manufacturing jobs. 1329 01:07:49,770 --> 01:07:52,810 现在又来抢能源工作 Now they're coming for our energy jobs. 1330 01:07:52,900 --> 01:07:54,860 中国政府正暗中入侵 The Chinese government is quietly invading 1331 01:07:54,940 --> 01:07:56,110 我们的美国电网 our American electric grid. 1332 01:07:56,190 --> 01:07:59,700 你可能会在街头或家门口 遇到请愿者 You may be approached on the street or at your door to sign a petition 1333 01:07:59,780 --> 01:08:02,160 要求削减美国就业和能源资金 to defund US jobs and energy. 1334 01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,030 请拒绝他们 Tell them no. 1335 01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,040 "世代当下"公司赞助 Paid for by Generation Now, Inc. 1336 01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,790 这个"世代当下"的名字 开始频繁出现 This Generation Now name starts popping up. 1337 01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:10,790 他们还投放了另一个广告 Then they ran another ad that was, 1338 01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:12,630 "罪犯正在敲你家的门" "Criminals are knocking at your door." 1339 01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:16,210 那些反对6号法案的 特殊利益集团 The special interest groups opposing House Bill 6 1340 01:08:16,300 --> 01:08:19,170 无法说服俄亥俄人签署请愿书 can't convince Ohioans to sign their petition. 1341 01:08:19,260 --> 01:08:21,550 他们为达目的不择手段 They'll do and say anything to win. 1342 01:08:21,630 --> 01:08:23,970 现在他们甚至动用 Now they've resorted to bringing in shady 1343 01:08:24,050 --> 01:08:26,260 外州来的 shady政治操盘手 out-of-state political operatives to work for them. 1344 01:08:26,350 --> 01:08:29,600 如果他们接近你 索要个人信息 If they approach you asking for your personal information, 1345 01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:31,100 请断然拒绝 tell them no. 1346 01:08:31,180 --> 01:08:32,940 拒绝签署 Decline to sign. 1347 01:08:34,270 --> 01:08:35,810 （克拉克） 他们要登门拜访了 (CLARK) They're coming to your house. 1348 01:08:35,900 --> 01:08:36,900 （克拉克） 罪犯！ (CLARK) Criminals! 1349 01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:38,530 （豪斯霍尔德） 叮咚 (HOUSEHOLDER) Ding dong. 1350 01:08:38,690 --> 01:08:40,150 （克拉克） 别应门 (CLARK) Don't answer the door. 1351 01:08:40,530 --> 01:08:43,860 （克拉克）别...拒绝签字 别开门 (CLARK) Don't...Decline to sign. Don't answer the door. 1352 01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,040 显然他们不知道 我们在监听 Clearly, they didn't know we were listening, 1353 01:08:49,870 --> 01:08:52,460 更没想到我们能调取 and they had no idea that we were getting back 1354 01:08:52,580 --> 01:08:54,920 银行记录和其他证据 bank records and other records 1355 01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,380 揭露这场阴谋 that were shedding light on the conspiracy. 1356 01:09:00,050 --> 01:09:03,840 我们发现他们雇佣私家侦探 We saw that they were hiring private investigators 1357 01:09:03,930 --> 01:09:06,260 跟踪反对派的 签名收集人员 to follow around signature collectors 1358 01:09:06,350 --> 01:09:07,850 working for the opposition. 1359 01:09:14,850 --> 01:09:17,560 他们在恐吓这些人 They were intimidating them. 1360 01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:22,820 我们的人会突然出现在 征集签名的地方 We had people that would show up to where the canvassers were 1361 01:09:22,900 --> 01:09:27,490 试图喝止正在签字的民众 and try to shout down people who were signing the petitions. 1362 01:09:27,580 --> 01:09:28,660 而且组织严密 And they were organized. 1363 01:09:29,950 --> 01:09:31,330 我的团队打电话说 My team would call and say, 1364 01:09:31,410 --> 01:09:34,170 "我们完全被包围了" "We're getting absolutely surrounded." 1365 01:09:35,370 --> 01:09:37,840 真是前所未见的阵仗 It was really like nothing we had ever seen. 1366 01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,750 我报道过多次公投活动 I mean, I'd covered referendum campaigns before. 1367 01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:40,880 但这次真开眼了 We haven't seen this. 1368 01:09:41,710 --> 01:09:44,470 他们开始自带写字板 They started showing up with their own clipboards, 1369 01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:45,590 拿着伪造的请愿书 with a fake petition 1370 01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:47,800 试图以假乱真 that they tried to make look like the legitimate one. 1371 01:09:47,890 --> 01:09:50,720 我们的能源清洁无碳 零排放 Our energy is clean, it's carbon-free, there's no emissions 1372 01:09:50,890 --> 01:09:51,930 我们正在努力保护它 and we're trying to protect that 1373 01:09:52,020 --> 01:09:53,930 维护俄亥俄州的能源安全 and keep our energy security here in the state of Ohio. 1374 01:09:54,100 --> 01:09:55,640 （泰勒·费尔曼） 但公司已经破产了 (TYLER FEHRMAN) But the company went bankrupt. 1375 01:09:55,810 --> 01:09:58,190 是啊公司破...公司... Yeah, the company went... the company... 1376 01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,480 呃我不太清楚破产细节 You know, I don't know a lot about the company going bankrupt, 1377 01:10:00,650 --> 01:10:03,070 但我们不想事事都靠中国救市 but we don't want China bailing us out of everything. 1378 01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:04,860 （泰勒·费尔曼） 中国怎么牵扯进来的？ (TYLER FEHRMAN) How's China involved? 1379 01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:07,990 传单都发完了 我手头也没剩... I don't even have any more flyers cause we done passed them all out... 1380 01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:15,870 征集签名可不是轻松活 Collecting signatures is not an easy task. 1381 01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,250 我们会提供新选择 We would offer them a new opportunity. 1382 01:10:21,050 --> 01:10:23,170 占用您几分钟 我想做个交易 If you have a few minutes to chat, I'd like to make an offer to you. 1383 01:10:24,220 --> 01:10:25,630 （签名收集员） 好的 (SIGNATURE COLLECTOR) Okay. 1384 01:10:26,050 --> 01:10:27,720 我就直说了 So I'll be frank with you. 1385 01:10:27,890 --> 01:10:32,100 我为...我的客户站在 你们请愿活动的对立面 So I work for... My client is on the opposing side of the issue 1386 01:10:32,260 --> 01:10:33,310 for which you're petitioning. 1387 01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:34,430 （签名收集员） 嗯哼 (SIGNATURE COLLECTOR) Uh-huh. 1388 01:10:34,850 --> 01:10:38,270 我准备提供的条件是 And so what I am prepared to offer you, 1389 01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:42,650 只要你愿意接受 2500美元定金 if you're willing to accept is a $2,500 retainer 1390 01:10:42,820 --> 01:10:44,860 跟我们签合同 to come into contract with us 1391 01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:46,200 外加一张返程机票 and a plane ticket home. 1392 01:10:47,450 --> 01:10:50,570 （签名收集员）那我回去 能为您做什么？ (SIGNATURE COLLECTOR) So what would I be doing for you if I'm going home? 1393 01:10:52,370 --> 01:10:54,870 （调查员）回家就是 你为我们客户提供的服务 Going home, that would be the service you'd be providing us and our client. 1394 01:10:57,670 --> 01:10:59,790 花钱让人离开 Paying people to get out of town 1395 01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:03,630 可不是开国元勋们 设想的大众民主 is not exactly how the framers imagined popular democracy. 1396 01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:06,840 但金钱总有办法 改写规则 But money has a way of changing the rules. 1397 01:11:09,010 --> 01:11:11,510 在"世代当下"数百万资金支持下 Bankrolled by millions from Gen Now, 1398 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,850 克拉克和豪斯霍尔德团队 开始收买 Clark and Team Householder started paying 1399 01:11:13,930 --> 01:11:16,560 所有能找到的签名收集公司 all the signature collection companies they could find 1400 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,890 阻止他们参与废除行动 not to work on the repeal effort. 1401 01:11:19,690 --> 01:11:22,310 你可能会问 这怎么合法？ You may be asking, how could this be legal? 1402 01:11:23,860 --> 01:11:26,690 在我们的制度下 金钱可以发声 Well, in our system, it's okay for money to talk, 1403 01:11:27,530 --> 01:11:30,030 哪怕是为了堵住别人的嘴 even when it's to keep other people from speaking. 1404 01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,830 但权钱交易不行 What's not okay is quid pro quo, 1405 01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:37,960 为了一袋现金 握手通过法案 a handshake to pass a law in exchange for a bag of cash. 1406 01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,670 有时候是超大号钱袋 Sometimes a very big bag. 1407 01:11:41,500 --> 01:11:43,960 （克拉克）过去八周 我花了近2000万 (CLARK) I spent close to $20 million in the last eight weeks. 1408 01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:45,840 -（卧底）靠 -（克拉克）两千万 -(UNDERCOVER) Oh, shit. -(CLARK) 20 million. 1409 01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,090 （卧底） 里面到底有多少钱？ (UNDERCOVER) How fucking much money is in there? 1410 01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:49,090 （克拉克） 没有上限 (CLARK) It's unlimited. 1411 01:11:54,890 --> 01:11:57,430 那真是段艰难时期 That was a really hard period of time. 1412 01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,810 我们需要收集超过 20万有效签名 We had to collect north of 200,000 valid signatures. 1413 01:12:01,900 --> 01:12:04,360 那时我们每周工作七天 By then, we were working seven days a week. 1414 01:12:04,940 --> 01:12:06,730 早上七八点开工 We'd start at like seven or eight in the morning 1415 01:12:06,820 --> 01:12:08,240 干到晚上九十点 and go until like nine or ten at night. 1416 01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:09,700 真是累死人的活 I mean, it's exhausting work. 1417 01:12:09,780 --> 01:12:13,410 与此同时马特不停 发短信打电话 All the while, Matt was, like, texting and calling me, 1418 01:12:14,030 --> 01:12:17,330 向我打探内幕消息 来搞垮那些 asking me for inside information to help blow up the people 1419 01:12:17,410 --> 01:12:20,160 每天和我并肩作战的战友 that I have to fight in the trenches with every day. 1420 01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:22,790 （博尔赫斯） 最近如何？ (BORGES) How are ya? 1421 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,340 （费尔曼） 累瘫了 饿扁了 (FEHRMAN) Uh, I'm exhausted. I'm hungry. 1422 01:12:27,670 --> 01:12:29,510 （费尔曼） 就平常那样 (FEHRMAN) So, standard day. 1423 01:12:29,670 --> 01:12:31,340 （费尔曼）对了 我看到你厨房照片 (FEHRMAN) By the way, I saw the pictures of your kitchen, 1424 01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:32,550 真他妈漂亮 that shit's nice. 1425 01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:33,970 （博尔赫斯） 是啊还有几处 (BORGES) Yeah, there's a few things 1426 01:12:34,050 --> 01:12:35,640 需要最后收尾 that still need to be touched up to finish it, 1427 01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,930 （博尔赫斯） 不过现在完成99%了 (BORGES) but it, it's like 99% done now. 1428 01:12:38,930 --> 01:12:40,680 （费尔曼） 有什么进展？ (FEHRMAN) Well, what's going on? 1429 01:12:41,060 --> 01:12:44,190 然后他就发短信 问我数字 Then he would text me and ask me for numbers 1430 01:12:44,270 --> 01:12:46,110 问我们收集了多少签名 on how many signatures we had collected 1431 01:12:46,190 --> 01:12:48,070 或打探竞选内幕 or information about the campaign. 1432 01:12:49,070 --> 01:12:51,490 （博尔赫斯）听说你们从外州 调来大批人马 (BORGES) We're hearing that you guys are bringing a whole bunch 1433 01:12:51,570 --> 01:12:53,700 是真的吗？ of people in from out of state. Is that true? 1434 01:12:53,860 --> 01:12:57,790 （费尔曼） 呃有个乡村团队 (FEHRMAN) Um, there is a rural team 1435 01:12:57,950 --> 01:13:00,870 （费尔曼）专门负责 偏远小县区 (FEHRMAN) being brought in to handle, like, small rural counties. 1436 01:13:00,950 --> 01:13:02,500 要是他打电话来 I'd have to-- if he called me, 1437 01:13:02,580 --> 01:13:04,420 我得用录音电话回拨 编个理由 I'd have to call him back on the recorded line 1438 01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:06,590 and come up with an excuse as to why. 1439 01:13:06,670 --> 01:13:07,670 （博尔赫斯） 嘿泰勒 (BORGES) Hey Tyler. 1440 01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:08,750 （费尔曼） 抱歉刚没接 (FEHRMAN) Hey, sorry about that. 1441 01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,630 （费尔曼）今天简直 乱成一锅粥 (FEHRMAN) Today has just been fucked up and insane. 1442 01:13:13,050 --> 01:13:16,260 我在这件事里的角色 就是编造些像模像样的情报 (A part of my role in this was to make information up) 1443 01:13:16,350 --> 01:13:19,430 让他觉得拿到了真材实料 或者随便找个借口搪塞 (that seemed legitimate, that would make him feel like) 1444 01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,980 他需要的东西到手了 (he had what he needed, or come up with an excuse.) 1445 01:13:22,060 --> 01:13:24,060 (博尔赫斯) 你有具体数字吗？ (BORGES) Do you know a number? 1446 01:13:24,230 --> 01:13:26,980 (费尔曼) 今天我们州主任在波特兰做牙科手术 电话会议取消了 (FEHRMAN) So, our conference call today was cancelled 1447 01:13:27,150 --> 01:13:29,780 (费尔曼) 州主任人在波特兰 (FEHRMAN) by our state director who is in Portland 1448 01:13:29,860 --> 01:13:31,570 做牙科手术去了 for a dental procedure. 1449 01:13:31,740 --> 01:13:32,740 (博尔赫斯) 嗯... (BORGES) Hmm... 1450 01:13:33,740 --> 01:13:35,820 (费尔曼) 话说新养的狗怎么样？ (FEHRMAN) Anyway, how's the new dog? 1451 01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:37,240 (博尔赫斯) 挺好的，活蹦乱跳 (BORGES) Good, he's doing good. 1452 01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,580 有时候就得凭空捏造个数字 (And other times it was just pulling a number out of thin air) 1453 01:13:39,660 --> 01:13:41,450 感觉他能买账就行 (that felt like he'd buy it.) 1454 01:13:41,540 --> 01:13:43,040 但越来越难糊弄了 (But it got more difficult.) 1455 01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,290 (费尔曼) 我尽量盯着数字 (FEHRMAN) I've tried to keep an eye on numbers 1456 01:13:45,370 --> 01:13:46,630 摸清咱们的处境 (and figure out where we are,) 1457 01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:51,130 (费尔曼) 但拉进来这么多公司 根本没法追踪 (FEHRMAN) but with bringing in, like, a bazillion other firms tracking that is, like, basically impossible. 1458 01:13:51,300 --> 01:13:53,880 (费尔曼) 根本没法追踪 (FEHRMAN) tracking that is, like, basically impossible. 1459 01:13:54,050 --> 01:13:55,050 (博尔赫斯) 没错 (BORGES) Right. 1460 01:13:55,130 --> 01:13:56,680 他就跟讨债似的追着要情报 (And he just kept asking for information.) 1461 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,020 没完没了 变本加厉 (It was a lot, and it was constant.) 1462 01:14:11,530 --> 01:14:12,730 你好 (Hi.) 1463 01:14:12,860 --> 01:14:13,820 (费尔曼) 嘿 (FEHRMAN) Hey. 1464 01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,240 (博尔赫斯) 外头乱成一锅粥了 (BORGES) It's crazy out there. 1465 01:14:17,780 --> 01:14:19,160 (博尔赫斯) 有具体数字吗？ (BORGES) Do you know the number? 1466 01:14:19,530 --> 01:14:20,620 (费尔曼) 哥伦布的数据我知道 (FEHRMAN) I know Columbus. 1467 01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:21,700 (博尔赫斯) 多少？ (BORGES) What is it? 1468 01:14:21,790 --> 01:14:23,660 (费尔曼) 勉强维持在十以下 (FEHRMAN) We're sitting just under ten. 1469 01:14:24,410 --> 01:14:28,330 他跟我说 "我给你一万五" (He told me, "I'm going to give you $15,000.") 1470 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,550 说着说着就把支票 从桌面上滑过来 (And as he talks, he just slides a check across the table) 1471 01:14:31,630 --> 01:14:35,220 我拿起来偷瞄一眼 就揣兜里了 (and I pick it up, peek inside, put it in my pocket.) 1472 01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:43,640 在交谈过程中 (During the course of the conversations,) 1473 01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:47,850 博尔赫斯总暗示 这不是他一个人的事 (Borges would talk about how this wasn't just him.) 1474 01:14:47,940 --> 01:14:51,820 说他还有其他金主 确实如此 (That he had, you know, monies from other sources, which he did,) 1475 01:14:51,900 --> 01:14:53,900 银行流水可以作证 (which we corroborated through the bank records.) 1476 01:14:53,980 --> 01:14:56,700 马特总把花钱如流水挂嘴边 (Matt would talk about the amount of money being spent.) 1477 01:14:56,780 --> 01:15:00,240 他说"这帮人赚得盆满钵满 (And he had said, "These guys are getting fat off of this.) 1478 01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:01,530 咱们凭什么不能分杯羹？" (Why shouldn't we?") 1479 01:15:02,910 --> 01:15:04,910 (博尔赫斯) 这他妈就是大富翁游戏币 (BORGES) And this is just fucking Monopoly money at this point in time. 1480 01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,830 (博尔赫斯) 反正不是真钱 随便造 (BORGES) You know, it's not real, so fuck it. 1481 01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:14,130 这类调查通常都是事后追溯 (A lot of times these investigations are purely historical in nature.) 1482 01:15:14,210 --> 01:15:19,430 这次之所以雷厉风行 是因为所有勾当 (That's what made this really a fast-paced investigation was,) 1483 01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:21,430 都在同步发生 (all of this was going on in real time.) 1484 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,850 过了一阵子 我记得办公室接到 (Some time passed, and I believe that my office got a call) 1485 01:15:26,930 --> 01:15:29,560 布莱恩·本内特的电话 (from Brian Bennett. They keep talking about,) 1486 01:15:29,650 --> 01:15:30,980 他们总念叨着 (they want to have dinner with the Speaker.) 1487 01:15:31,060 --> 01:15:32,400 想和议长共进晚餐 (they want to have dinner with the Speaker.) 1488 01:15:33,230 --> 01:15:34,690 (卧底) 咱们该和议长吃饭吗？ (UNDERCOVER) Should we have dinner with the Speaker? 1489 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,110 -(克拉克) 能安排吗？ -(卧底) 该去吗？ -(CLARK) Can you? -(UNDERCOVER) Should we? 1490 01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,070 (克拉克) 想吃就吃 没问题 (CLARK) If you guys wanna have dinner, it would be fine. 1491 01:15:39,150 --> 01:15:40,610 (克拉克) 我每天跟他 煲两三次电话粥 (CLARK) I talk to him two to three times a day. 1492 01:15:40,950 --> 01:15:42,070 (克拉克) 正发短信呢 (CLARK) In fact, I'm texting him right now. 1493 01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:43,370 (卧底) 他们关系铁得很 (UNDERCOVER) They're pretty close. 1494 01:15:43,660 --> 01:15:45,580 我说"我来安排" (I said, "I can arrange that.") 1495 01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:47,370 (卧底) 那找个私密场所？ (UNDERCOVER) Well, maybe we'll get a private place? 1496 01:15:47,450 --> 01:15:49,580 (卧底) 哥伦布有合适的地方吗？ (UNDERCOVER) Is there a private place up in Columbus we can do that? 1497 01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,250 (克拉克) 当然有 包在我身上 (CLARK) Yeah, of course there is. Of course there is. 1498 01:16:02,300 --> 01:16:05,010 (卧底) 前面有警察 小心点 (UNDERCOVER) There's a cop up here. Be careful. 1499 01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:06,640 (卧底) 这个红绿灯 (UNDERCOVER) At this light. 1500 01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:08,730 (卧底) 还没开始就差点翻车 (UNDERCOVER) We ain't even started yet and we're already in trouble. 1501 01:16:08,810 --> 01:16:09,810 可不是 (I know.) 1502 01:16:14,230 --> 01:16:15,820 (卧底) 好了 应该就是这儿 (UNDERCOVER) Alright, it should be right here. 1503 01:16:15,900 --> 01:16:17,150 (导航) 您已到达目的地 (GPS) You've arrived at your destination. 1504 01:16:21,660 --> 01:16:25,830 (卧底) 代号7760和3129就位 (UNDERCOVER) Alright, U.C. 7760 and U.C. 3129. 1505 01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:28,750 (卧底) 开始记录与尼尔·克拉克 (UNDERCOVER) Recorded conversation with Neil Clark, 1506 01:16:28,830 --> 01:16:31,210 拉里·豪斯霍尔德等人的谈话 (ourselves, and Larry Householder.) 1507 01:16:37,170 --> 01:16:38,170 (卧底) 您好 (UNDERCOVER) How are you? 1508 01:16:38,260 --> 01:16:39,340 (卧底) 近来如何？ (克拉克) 挺好挺好 (UNDERCOVER) How've you been? (CLARK) Good good. 1509 01:16:39,420 --> 01:16:40,800 (豪斯霍尔德) 拉里·豪斯霍尔德 (HOUSEHOLDER) Larry Householder. 1510 01:16:41,090 --> 01:16:42,180 (卧底) 布莱恩·本内特 久仰 (UNDERCOVER) Hey, Brian Bennett. How are you doing? 1511 01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:43,840 (卧底) 幸会 (UNDERCOVER) Nice to meet you. How are you? 1512 01:16:43,930 --> 01:16:44,930 (众议员爱德华兹) 杰伊·爱德华兹 (REP. EDWARDS) Jay Edwards. 1513 01:16:45,010 --> 01:16:46,310 (卧底) 杰伊·爱德华兹 久闻大名 (UNDERCOVER) Jay Edwards. Pleasure to meet you as well. 1514 01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:51,060 (克拉克) 当年不管是第一能源 (CLARK) Because back then, whether it was FirstEnergy, 1515 01:16:51,230 --> 01:16:52,600 (克拉克) 还是其他公司 (CLARK) or name a name, 1516 01:16:52,770 --> 01:16:55,610 (克拉克) 请州长或候选人吃饭 (CLARK) that had dinner with the governor or the candidate 1517 01:16:55,690 --> 01:16:56,690 直接塞十万美金 and give them $100,000. 1518 01:16:57,940 --> 01:17:00,940 (克拉克) 合理合法... 真金白银打进竞选账户 (CLARK) And it was legit...right in hard dollars into their campaign. 1519 01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,530 (克拉克) 我觉得这样更好 你清楚知道 (CLARK) And my attitude was, isn't that better for you to know 1520 01:17:04,620 --> 01:17:06,700 钱是谁给的？ exactly who's giving you the money? 1521 01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:08,370 (克拉克) 有人想给你十万 (CLARK) If somebody wants to give you a $100,000 1522 01:17:08,450 --> 01:17:09,870 就让媒体去追问 (let the press go and ask questions,) 1523 01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:11,200 (克拉克) "为啥给十万？" (CLARK) "Why'd you give $100,000?" 1524 01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:14,170 (众议员爱德华兹) 现在都转地下了 (REP. EDWARDS) Now they're just doing it behind, behind the scenes. 1525 01:17:14,330 --> 01:17:15,750 (克拉克) 现在改用c4组织 (CLARK) Now they're doing c4s. 1526 01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:17,210 (克拉克) 永远查不出来 (CLARK) And now you're never gonna find out. 1527 01:17:18,170 --> 01:17:22,880 (克拉克) 这才把风气彻底带歪 (CLARK) That's what really turned this place into the wrong attitude. 1528 01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:25,180 (克拉克) 法院早就裁定 (CLARK) The courts have already decided 1529 01:17:25,260 --> 01:17:27,010 关你们屁事 it's none of your fucking business. 1530 01:17:28,890 --> 01:17:30,390 (卧底) 稍等 要伏特加汤力水？ (UNDERCOVER) Yeah, hold on. You want a vodka tonic? 1531 01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:31,680 (卧底) 还是伏特加蔓越莓？ (UNDERCOVER) Or a vodka cranberry? 1532 01:17:31,810 --> 01:17:32,930 (克拉克) 好啊 (CLARK) Yeah. 1533 01:17:33,770 --> 01:17:36,560 (豪斯霍尔德) 谁不知道 第6号法案是谁在资助 (HOUSEHOLDER) Everybody knows who's funding House Bill 6. 1534 01:17:36,770 --> 01:17:38,440 (豪斯霍尔德) 是俄亥俄本地企业... (HOUSEHOLDER) It's an Ohio corporation... 1535 01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:43,360 (豪斯霍尔德) 我们这些俄亥俄员工 不过想保住饭碗 (HOUSEHOLDER) and we are Ohio employees that just keep our jobs. 1536 01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:46,320 (克拉克) 我天天跟他说 (CLARK) I tell him every day. 1537 01:17:46,410 --> 01:17:48,870 (克拉克) 感恩戴德 感谢让我参与 (CLARK) Thank you. Thank you for letting me be involved. 1538 01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:52,370 (众议员爱德华兹) 很高兴认识各位 (REP. EDWARDS) Well, it was very nice meeting you guys. 1539 01:17:52,450 --> 01:17:53,750 (卧底) 幸会 (UNDERCOVER) It was good meeting you guys. 1540 01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:55,000 (克拉克) 感谢各位赏光 (CLARK) Thanks for your time and effort. 1541 01:17:55,670 --> 01:17:56,630 (卧底) 好的 多谢 (UNDERCOVER) Alright, thanks. 1542 01:17:59,170 --> 01:18:00,170 (卧底) 那是啥？ (UNDERCOVER) What's that? 1543 01:18:00,250 --> 01:18:02,380 (克拉克) 我让你们这么做... (CLARK) Okay, what I'm going to have you do is... 1544 01:18:03,510 --> 01:18:04,630 (克拉克) 打电话说 (CLARK) call them and then say, 1545 01:18:04,930 --> 01:18:05,930 (克拉克) "饭局很棒 (CLARK) "We had a great dinner. 1546 01:18:06,010 --> 01:18:07,340 感谢百忙中抽空" Thank you very much for spending your time." 1547 01:18:08,300 --> 01:18:11,010 (克拉克) "有什么能帮 '世代当下'组织的？" (CLARK) "Hey, is there anything I can do to help you with Generation Now?" 1548 01:18:11,470 --> 01:18:12,640 (克拉克) "我们想出力" (CLARK) "We want to help." 1549 01:18:18,190 --> 01:18:21,570 所有证据都指向 (It all just seemed to corroborate) 1550 01:18:21,650 --> 01:18:24,570 我们调查的同一桩阴谋 (the same story that we were investigating.) 1551 01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:30,030 (博尔赫斯) 现在只有那破公司 还站在我这边 (BORGES) The only people that are on my side is this fucking company. 1552 01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:31,370 (费尔曼) 没错 (FEHRMAN) Right. 1553 01:18:31,540 --> 01:18:32,950 -(博尔赫斯) 懂吗？ (费尔曼) 明白 -(BORGES) You know? -(FEHRMAN) Right. 1554 01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,210 (博尔赫斯) 全世界都他妈在挺你 (BORGES) I mean everybody else in the universe is on your side. 1555 01:18:35,330 --> 01:18:36,870 (费尔曼) 破公司是指第一能源？ (FEHRMAN) Fucking company, you mean like FirstEnergy? 1556 01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:38,000 (博尔赫斯) 对 (BORGES) Yes. 1557 01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,500 (博尔赫斯) 所以拉里和第一能源 就是蛇鼠一窝 (BORGES) So it's this unholy alliance between Larry and FirstEnergy. 1558 01:18:41,670 --> 01:18:43,300 (博尔赫斯) 他帮忙摆平 (BORGES) He's helping with the issue 1559 01:18:43,460 --> 01:18:45,920 (博尔赫斯) 我们最大客户最关心的问题 (BORGES) that our single largest client cares a lot about. 1560 01:18:46,220 --> 01:18:47,340 没错 (Right.) 1561 01:18:47,970 --> 01:18:50,300 那么最终你们如何确认 (Now, ultimately, how were you able to establish) 1562 01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:52,760 这些钱都来自第一能源？ (that all this money was coming from FirstEnergy?) 1563 01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:54,680 他们管这叫"银行" (They'd call it "The Bank.") 1564 01:18:54,850 --> 01:18:56,730 (克拉克) 我们叫第一能源"银行" (CLARK) We call FirstEnergy "The Bank." 1565 01:18:57,190 --> 01:18:58,190 (克拉克) 因为他们财大气粗 (CLARK) Because they can fund these things 1566 01:18:58,270 --> 01:18:59,770 想供多久供多久 for 20 years if they wanted to. 1567 01:18:59,860 --> 01:19:02,610 (克拉克) 钱多势大 为所欲为 (CLARK) Because they got too much money, they got too much power. 1568 01:19:06,860 --> 01:19:09,320 我们有电话监听 (We had, you know, intercepted phone calls,) 1569 01:19:09,410 --> 01:19:12,240 卧底录音 电子证据 (undercover recordings, electronic evidence,) 1570 01:19:12,330 --> 01:19:15,500 银行流水 业务记录 通话记录 (bank records, business records, telephone records.) 1571 01:19:15,580 --> 01:19:17,750 原本错综复杂 后来发现他们故意 (It was so complicated, and then we realized) 1572 01:19:17,790 --> 01:19:19,540 搞得这么复杂 (it was sophisticated on purpose) 1573 01:19:19,620 --> 01:19:21,750 就为掩人耳目 但我们还是揪出来了 (so no one could uncover it. But we did.) 1574 01:19:22,340 --> 01:19:24,550 我们理清的来龙去脉是 (The story that we were able to connect was,) 1575 01:19:24,630 --> 01:19:27,420 霍尔达先生会见了第一能源公司高管 Mr. Householder met with FirstEnergy executive, 1576 01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:29,380 霍尔达开始推销他的计划 and Householder made a pitch. 1577 01:19:29,470 --> 01:19:32,100 他们正在寻找金主资助 They were looking for someone to fund 1578 01:19:32,180 --> 01:19:33,640 拉里·霍尔达竞选 Larry Householder becoming 1579 01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:35,220 众议院议长并掌权 Speaker of the House and taking control. 1580 01:19:35,310 --> 01:19:36,930 他们想找个提款机 They were looking for a sugar daddy. 1581 01:19:37,020 --> 01:19:39,310 你需要找个有所求的人 You needed somebody that wanted something in return, 1582 01:19:39,390 --> 01:19:41,400 他们在第一能源找到了 and they found that with FirstEnergy. 1583 01:19:42,020 --> 01:19:47,190 第一能源想要13亿美元的纾困方案 FirstEnergy wanted a fix, a $1.3 billion bailout. 1584 01:19:48,030 --> 01:19:49,400 纾困通过后 After the bailout, 1585 01:19:49,490 --> 01:19:51,950 某位高管打算抛售 a certain executive was going to sell off 1586 01:19:52,030 --> 01:19:56,120 核电站并从中获利1亿美元 the nuclear plants and personally make $100 million. 1587 01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,500 事情逐渐明朗 What became clear was that the company 1588 01:20:00,580 --> 01:20:02,750 早在霍尔达当选议长前 had drafts of this legislation 1589 01:20:02,830 --> 01:20:07,010 就已起草好法案 before Speaker Householder was even elected Speaker. 1590 01:20:07,090 --> 01:20:08,590 霍尔达议长渴望权力 Speaker Householder wanted power. 1591 01:20:08,670 --> 01:20:11,340 他说："只要让我坐上这个位置 He said, "You basically get me in that position 1592 01:20:11,430 --> 01:20:13,600 我就通过有利你们的法案" and I'll pass legislation to benefit you." 1593 01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:18,180 资金从第一能源流向"世代现在"组织 The money would come from FirstEnergy to Generation Now. 1594 01:20:18,270 --> 01:20:21,560 这确保了选举期间的稳定资金流 That provided essentially a guaranteed stream of revenue 1595 01:20:21,650 --> 01:20:23,900 直到大选结束 leading up to the general election. 1596 01:20:23,980 --> 01:20:26,190 整个过程分三步走 Think of this in three parts, right? 1597 01:20:26,270 --> 01:20:27,900 首先是密谋让霍尔达 There was the conspiracy to get Householder 1598 01:20:27,980 --> 01:20:29,440 当选众议院议长 elected Speaker of the House. 1599 01:20:29,530 --> 01:20:32,780 第二步是通过第6号众议院法案 Part two is getting House Bill 6 passed, right? 1600 01:20:32,860 --> 01:20:34,830 第三步是确保法案不被推翻 And then part three is keeping it passed. 1601 01:20:34,910 --> 01:20:37,910 广告、邮件、收买签名收集者 The commercials, the mailers, 1602 01:20:37,990 --> 01:20:39,830 雇佣私家侦探 paying off signature collectors, 1603 01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:41,670 所有开销 and paying for private investigators, 1604 01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:45,170 都由第一能源买单 all of that was funded by FirstEnergy. 1605 01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,670 其中还涉及个人中饱私囊 There was also personal enrichment 1606 01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,170 金额高达数十万美元 to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars. 1607 01:20:51,260 --> 01:20:53,970 霍尔达用这笔钱 Householder had made repairs to a home 1608 01:20:54,050 --> 01:20:55,970 修缮他在佛罗里达的房产 that he had owned in Florida. 1609 01:20:59,890 --> 01:21:01,980 还清信用卡债务 Paid off credit cards. 1610 01:21:03,140 --> 01:21:05,440 但绝大部分资金 But the vast majority of the money 1611 01:21:06,110 --> 01:21:08,610 都用于助他攫取权力 was spent to help him gain power, 1612 01:21:08,690 --> 01:21:10,570 夺取议长宝座 to help him gain the Speakership. 1613 01:21:10,650 --> 01:21:13,660 我们查获的赃款超过6000万美元 We had uncovered over $60 million. 1614 01:21:14,820 --> 01:21:16,830 事实已经昭然若揭 It became abundantly clear 1615 01:21:16,910 --> 01:21:20,830 这是场规模空前的 that this was a organized conspiracy 1616 01:21:20,910 --> 01:21:22,790 集团犯罪 on a massive scale. 1617 01:21:32,050 --> 01:21:35,510 那段等待期安静得令人不安 That waiting period was disturbingly silent. 1618 01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,970 你永远不知道是否会有人被捕 You don't know if there's ever going to be an arrest, 1619 01:21:39,060 --> 01:21:40,770 是否会有结果 if there's ever going to be an outcome. 1620 01:21:40,850 --> 01:21:44,520 或者这些努力全都白费 Or if you just did all of this work for nothing. 1621 01:21:48,150 --> 01:21:50,480 昨天还有条重要新闻 Another important news story from yesterday, 1622 01:21:50,570 --> 01:21:52,110 关于核电纾困法案 the nuclear bailout bill. 1623 01:21:52,190 --> 01:21:54,110 "俄亥俄反企业纾困组织" The Ohioans Against Corporate Bailouts 1624 01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,620 试图通过公投 had been trying to get that before voters 1625 01:21:56,700 --> 01:21:58,070 让选民表决 with a referendum. 1626 01:21:58,160 --> 01:21:59,240 但未能成功 Didn't make it. 1627 01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:05,790 这场运动在2019年10月21日终结 The campaign ended on October 21st, 2019. 1628 01:22:05,870 --> 01:22:07,790 我永远记得那天 I will never forget that day. 1629 01:22:08,590 --> 01:22:10,550 我们远未达标 We didn't come anywhere near the mark. 1630 01:22:13,210 --> 01:22:15,720 我们感到压力山大 We were feeling a lot of pressure 1631 01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:19,390 因为事已至此 because at that point, you know, damage is done. 1632 01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,480 纳税人开始为补贴买单 Ratepayers are starting to pay for the subsidy. 1633 01:22:26,850 --> 01:22:28,690 我们走到了十字路口 We kind of hit the road where 1634 01:22:28,770 --> 01:22:31,650 秘密行动已无法取得更大进展 our covert operation isn't going to get any better. 1635 01:22:31,730 --> 01:22:33,860 监听工作基本完成 We've pretty much done with the wires. 1636 01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,030 现在要开始登门拜访了 Now we got to start knocking on doors. 1637 01:22:48,250 --> 01:22:50,880 那天意义重大 That was a big day for lots of reasons. 1638 01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:55,260 我们要逮捕俄亥俄州众议院议长 We are arresting the Speaker of Ohio. 1639 01:22:55,340 --> 01:22:57,630 俄亥俄州众议院的议长 The Speaker of the Ohio General Assembly. 1640 01:22:59,050 --> 01:23:02,140 当我们抵达拉里·霍尔达住所时 When we arrived at Larry Householder's residence, 1641 01:23:02,220 --> 01:23:04,810 我告知他因敲诈勒索和贿赂被捕 I explained that he was under arrest 1642 01:23:04,890 --> 01:23:08,190 并已被起诉 and that he had been charged with racketeering and bribery. 1643 01:23:08,270 --> 01:23:12,610 他完全没有询问指控细节 He did not ask for any clarification about the charges. 1644 01:23:13,940 --> 01:23:16,570 对话非常直接 It was a very straightforward conversation and it was... 1645 01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,070 几乎像是他... it was almost as if he... 1646 01:23:20,570 --> 01:23:22,830 几乎带着认命的态度 it was almost-- There was like a sense of resignation. 1647 01:23:24,370 --> 01:23:26,330 他的反应就像是"你们抓到我了" He kind of-- It was kind of like, "You got me." 1648 01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:29,790 突发新闻 Breaking news in what's being called 1649 01:23:29,870 --> 01:23:33,000 俄亥俄史上最大贿赂案 the largest bribery case in Ohio history. 1650 01:23:33,090 --> 01:23:34,920 俄亥俄众议院议长拉里·霍尔达 Ohio House Speaker Larry Householder 1651 01:23:35,010 --> 01:23:37,590 因敲诈勒索罪被捕 has been arrested on racketeering charges. 1652 01:23:37,670 --> 01:23:40,640 同时被起诉的还有知名说客尼尔·克拉克 Also charged today are other prominent lobbyists, Neil Clark... 1653 01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:42,640 对今日指控有何回应？ Do you have any response to the charges today? 1654 01:23:44,930 --> 01:23:46,810 和马特·博尔赫斯 -And Matt Borges. -Anything to say at all? 1655 01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:49,770 他们涉嫌收受某公司贿赂 They allegedly accepted money from a company 1656 01:23:49,850 --> 01:23:52,110 据信是第一能源公司 believed to be FirstEnergy Corporation 1657 01:23:52,190 --> 01:23:55,860 换取价值超10亿美元的公共纾困 in return for a public bailout worth more than $1 billion. 1658 01:23:56,900 --> 01:24:00,030 FBI逮捕了众议院议长 The FBI arrested the Speaker of the House 1659 01:24:00,110 --> 01:24:02,570 和俄亥俄共和党前主席 and the former chair of the Ohio Republican Party. 1660 01:24:02,660 --> 01:24:03,740 这些都是大人物 These are big names. 1661 01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:05,870 当新闻稿首次发布时 When the press advisory first came out 1662 01:24:05,950 --> 01:24:08,370 提到"6100万美元贿赂" and it said, "a $61 million bribe," 1663 01:24:08,460 --> 01:24:11,040 我还以为漏了小数点 I thought, "Oh, there's a decimal point missing." 1664 01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,130 可能是610万？ It's got to be like 6.1 maybe? 1665 01:24:14,210 --> 01:24:18,010 但6100万 令人瞠目结舌 But 61 million. It was jaw-dropping. 1666 01:24:18,590 --> 01:24:20,680 第二天早上我去看牙医 I had a dentist appointment the next morning. 1667 01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:22,430 坐在牙医诊所里 Sitting in the dentist's office, 1668 01:24:22,510 --> 01:24:24,260 记得当时躺在诊疗椅上 and I remember sitting in the chair, and my phone, 1669 01:24:24,350 --> 01:24:27,220 感觉到手机不停震动 I can just feel it just blowing up constantly. 1670 01:24:33,770 --> 01:24:37,570 今天我们宣布逮捕拉里·霍尔达 We're here today to announce the arrest of Larry Householder, 1671 01:24:37,650 --> 01:24:39,740 俄亥俄州众议院议长 the Speaker of the House of the state of Ohio, 1672 01:24:39,820 --> 01:24:41,400 及其他四名被告 and four other defendants 1673 01:24:43,450 --> 01:24:46,160 涉嫌敲诈勒索 for racketeering in relation to 1674 01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:50,710 这可能是俄亥俄史上最大规模的 what is likely the largest bribery money-laundering scheme 1675 01:24:50,750 --> 01:24:54,210 贿赂洗钱计划 ever perpetrated against the people of the state of Ohio. 1676 01:24:54,290 --> 01:24:57,090 这起事件源于我们持续报道的 This erupted on a bill that we had been covering, 1677 01:24:57,170 --> 01:24:58,920 充满争议的法案 that there was all this controversy, 1678 01:24:59,010 --> 01:25:01,510 公投与反制运动 all this referendum and counter-campaign, 1679 01:25:01,590 --> 01:25:03,300 以及巨额资金流动 all the money that went into it. 1680 01:25:03,380 --> 01:25:05,800 涉及总部在阿克伦的 It involved FirstEnergy, of Akron, 1681 01:25:05,890 --> 01:25:07,390 俄亥俄本土企业第一能源 you know, Ohio-based company. 1682 01:25:07,970 --> 01:25:09,640 简直太疯狂了 It was just-- it was wild. 1683 01:25:10,180 --> 01:25:12,440 知道什么最让我愤怒吗？ You know what makes me angry? Is... 1684 01:25:14,270 --> 01:25:17,570 我们资源有限 We have limited resources. We have in Franklin County 1685 01:25:17,650 --> 01:25:19,110 在整个俄亥俄南区 and all of the Southern District of Ohio, 1686 01:25:19,190 --> 01:25:21,360 面临着严重的 we have a just massive overdose epidemic 1687 01:25:21,440 --> 01:25:23,700 药物过量危机 where we've got people dying of fentanyl, 1688 01:25:23,780 --> 01:25:27,160 法医办公室尸体堆积如山 people stacked up like cordwood at our coroner's office. 1689 01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:29,740 暴力犯罪率飙升 We've got a violent crime rate skyrocketing. 1690 01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:32,660 我们不得不抽调资源 We have to take our resources 1691 01:25:32,750 --> 01:25:34,620 离开这些真实受害案件 away from those real victim cases 1692 01:25:35,540 --> 01:25:39,170 去调查起诉 and investigate and prosecute some politicians 1693 01:25:39,250 --> 01:25:41,050 这些不干正事的政客 who just won't do their damn job. 1694 01:25:41,130 --> 01:25:42,590 这才让我火大 That's what makes me angry. 1695 01:25:52,810 --> 01:25:55,810 你认为这是你在众议院的最后时光吗？ You think these are your final days at the House chamber? 1696 01:25:55,900 --> 01:25:57,810 天晓得 我完全没概念 Who knows? I don't have any idea. 1697 01:25:57,900 --> 01:25:59,570 不知道是不是最后时刻 I don't know whether it's my final days or not. 1698 01:26:00,440 --> 01:26:02,190 我只能说 I can just-- I can just tell you that 1699 01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:05,780 我会永远为俄亥俄人民奋斗 I'm always going to be out there fighting for the people of Ohio. 1700 01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,240 如此规模的丑闻 With a scandal of this size, 1701 01:26:10,330 --> 01:26:12,040 我原以为霍尔达 I would have expected Householder 1702 01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:14,540 会在选举中付出惨痛代价 to pay a heavy political price at the ballot box. 1703 01:26:15,830 --> 01:26:17,420 但我错了 But I would have been wrong. 1704 01:26:18,170 --> 01:26:20,040 没错 他连任了 Yeah, so he was reelected. 1705 01:26:20,130 --> 01:26:22,130 那年秋天他成功连任 He was reelected that fall. 1706 01:26:22,210 --> 01:26:24,010 尽管大多数俄亥俄公民 He was reelected even though 1707 01:26:24,090 --> 01:26:27,300 都对他的行为感到震惊 most of the citizens of Ohio were appalled by his conduct. 1708 01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:28,640 你必须辞职！ You need to resign! 1709 01:26:30,010 --> 01:26:32,520 但俄亥俄选区划分如此狭隘 But Ohio's districts were drawn so narrowly 1710 01:26:33,220 --> 01:26:34,730 温和派选民 that moderate voters never had a chance 1711 01:26:34,810 --> 01:26:36,730 根本没有发声机会 to make their voices heard. 1712 01:26:36,810 --> 01:26:39,810 丑闻后共和党在众议院 And Republicans actually gained three seats in the House 1713 01:26:39,900 --> 01:26:41,150 反而增加了三席 after the scandal. 1714 01:26:42,780 --> 01:26:46,530 他们在腐败丑闻后表现更佳 They did even better after the corruption scandal surfaced. 1715 01:26:46,610 --> 01:26:49,200 这就是俄亥俄缺乏民主制衡 I mean, this is the thing about the lack of democracy 1716 01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,330 的恶果 and checks and balances in Ohio. 1717 01:26:51,410 --> 01:26:54,290 许多公民义愤填膺 A lot of the citizens are outraged. 1718 01:26:54,700 --> 01:26:56,660 -公平选区！ -Fair districts! -现在！ -Now! 1719 01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:58,540 -公平选区！ -Fair districts! -现在！ -Now! 1720 01:26:58,790 --> 01:27:00,960 -我们要什么？ -What do we want? -公平划分！ -Fair maps! 1721 01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,090 我们曾通过公投要求 We had a referendum saying 1722 01:27:03,170 --> 01:27:07,590 必须在公平划分的选区进行正当选举 they need to have legitimate contests in fairly drawn districts. 1723 01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,470 公平划分！遵纪守法！ Draw fair maps! Obey the law! 1724 01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:12,560 公投以压倒性优势通过 It passes overwhelmingly. 1725 01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:14,560 这已成为州宪法修正案 It's an amendment to the constitution, 1726 01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:16,020 事实上 in fact, in the state. 1727 01:27:16,100 --> 01:27:20,900 州议会完全置之不理 The state legislature totally thumbs its nose at this. 1728 01:27:20,980 --> 01:27:24,780 相反 议员们 Instead, what the legislators do 1729 01:27:24,860 --> 01:27:28,820 不断提出不公正的选区方案 is they draw up one unfair plan after the next, after the next. 1730 01:27:28,910 --> 01:27:31,370 俄亥俄最高法院多次驳回 The Ohio Supreme Court said, "You can't use these maps." 1731 01:27:31,450 --> 01:27:33,870 他们仍坚持原方案 They pushed the same maps. "You can't use these ones." 1732 01:27:33,950 --> 01:27:36,700 最高法院多次警告 They told them, like, multiple times, 1733 01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:38,160 "你们做法违法 "You're doing it wrong. 1734 01:27:38,250 --> 01:27:40,170 违反州宪法" It violates the state's constitution." 1735 01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:45,380 法官大人 没有证据表明 Your Honor, there's been no allegation, certainly no proof, 1736 01:27:45,460 --> 01:27:48,970 反选区划分不公的要求被违反 that any of those anti-gerrymandering requirements were violated. None. 1737 01:27:49,050 --> 01:27:53,050 我担心的是绝对多数 My concern is a supermajority 1738 01:27:53,140 --> 01:27:57,180 对选民代表权 imposes an unconstitutional limitation 1739 01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:59,940 施加了违宪限制 on the representation of the voters. 1740 01:28:00,020 --> 01:28:03,150 我投票判定 It's no surprise that I would vote 1741 01:28:03,230 --> 01:28:06,230 违宪地图无效理所当然 a map to be unconstitutional if it was unconstitutional. 1742 01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:07,740 我才不在乎是谁画的 I don't care who drew it. 1743 01:28:07,820 --> 01:28:11,070 所以我站在三位民主党人这边 And so I sided with the three Democrats. 1744 01:28:11,740 --> 01:28:13,990 共和党气得跳脚 The Republican Party was so irate 1745 01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,750 她竟敢这么做 甚至威胁要—— that she had the nerve to do that that they threatened to-- 1746 01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:19,960 有些议员想弹劾她 Some of the lawmakers wanted to impeach her. 1747 01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:21,620 我也因此受到弹劾威胁 There were threats to impeach me 1748 01:28:21,710 --> 01:28:23,000 就因为我投了这一票 as a result of my vote, 1749 01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:26,050 简直荒谬透顶 which were absolutely ridiculous. 1750 01:28:26,130 --> 01:28:30,430 州党部有座气派的总部 The state party has very elaborate headquarters, 1751 01:28:30,510 --> 01:28:33,220 装修豪华 他们把我照片从墙上摘了 very nice, and they took my picture off the wall. 1752 01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:36,510 我要提醒各位委员 I will remind my fellow commissioners 1753 01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:38,980 我们被法院勒令 that we are under a court order 1754 01:28:39,060 --> 01:28:41,600 明早9点前必须通过合宪的地图 to adopt a constitutional set of maps 1755 01:28:41,690 --> 01:28:43,860 最后 实际情况是 by 9:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. 1756 01:28:43,940 --> 01:28:46,520 他们拖到临近选举 And finally, what happens is 1757 01:28:46,610 --> 01:28:48,530 眼看就要来不及了 they get so close to the election 1758 01:28:48,610 --> 01:28:50,400 却还在违法操作 and they're still not going, 1759 01:28:50,490 --> 01:28:52,780 联邦法院只能介入说 following the law that-- 1760 01:28:52,860 --> 01:28:54,570 "我们总得举行选举 that the federal court steps in and says, 1761 01:28:54,660 --> 01:28:56,080 只能沿用不公平的选区了" "Well, we got to have an election. 1762 01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,120 看来我们不得不保留 So I guess we're just going to have to stick 1763 01:28:58,160 --> 01:28:59,200 这些不公正的划分" with the unfair districts." 1764 01:28:59,290 --> 01:29:01,790 我很清楚 It is clear to me, 1765 01:29:03,170 --> 01:29:05,380 8月2日的初选 that it is impossible to proceed 1766 01:29:05,460 --> 01:29:06,840 除了第三版地图外 with an August 2nd primary 1767 01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,170 根本不可能采用其他方案 with any map other than map three. 1768 01:29:09,260 --> 01:29:10,800 千真万确 Absolutely. 1769 01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:14,970 主席先生 我认为这很能说明问题 So I think that is relevant, Mr. Chairman. 1770 01:29:15,050 --> 01:29:16,350 选民根本无足轻重 Voters don't matter. 1771 01:29:19,180 --> 01:29:20,220 肃静 Quiet. 1772 01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:22,140 请保持秩序 请保持秩序 Order, please. Order, please. 1773 01:29:23,020 --> 01:29:24,980 他们就是在拖延时间 They ran out the clock. 1774 01:29:25,060 --> 01:29:27,610 这就是他们的目的 拖到最后一刻 That's what the goal was, to run out the clock. 1775 01:29:27,690 --> 01:29:29,190 选区就是这样被划定的 That's how the districts were drawn, 1776 01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:31,740 根据违宪的第三版地图 according to the unconstitutional third map. 1777 01:29:31,820 --> 01:29:33,360 至今仍在沿用 We still have that. 1778 01:29:37,910 --> 01:29:39,370 由于政治地图被操纵 With the political map rigged 1779 01:29:39,450 --> 01:29:41,410 让豪德勒团队无法通过选票 against holding Team Householder accountable 1780 01:29:41,500 --> 01:29:43,080 承担后果 at the ballot box, 1781 01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:44,710 本州民众 the citizens of the state 1782 01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:47,460 只能指望联邦检察官伸张正义 looked to federal prosecutors for justice. 1783 01:29:49,050 --> 01:29:51,880 联邦系统以严刑峻法著称 The federal system is known for doling out harsh sentences, 1784 01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:53,510 也以奖励配合调查者 and it's also known for rewarding 1785 01:29:53,590 --> 01:29:55,640 重大协助而闻名 substantial assistance from cooperators. 1786 01:29:55,720 --> 01:30:01,100 所有被告都面临同样抉择 All of these defendants have the same decision to make. 1787 01:30:01,180 --> 01:30:02,810 那就是 And that is, 1788 01:30:02,890 --> 01:30:06,480 是坚称自己清白 are they going to proclaim their innocence 1789 01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:11,980 要求陪审团审判 and seek their day in a court before a jury, 1790 01:30:12,070 --> 01:30:15,530 还是另做选择 or do they want to make another choice? 1791 01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:19,240 起诉公布后不久 Shortly after the charges were announced, 1792 01:30:19,330 --> 01:30:21,410 犯罪集团中的两名成员 two individuals who were members of the enterprise 1793 01:30:21,490 --> 01:30:23,330 通过律师联系我们 contacted us through their attorneys 1794 01:30:23,410 --> 01:30:25,210 表示愿意配合调查 and said they wanted to come in and talk. 1795 01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,710 这是胡萝卜加大棒的策略 It's the carrot-and-stick approach. 1796 01:30:27,790 --> 01:30:29,340 你得向辩护律师摊牌 You've got to be open with the defense attorney saying, 1797 01:30:29,420 --> 01:30:31,170 "看看你当事人是怎么被锤死的" "Here's how your guy is getting destroyed." 1798 01:30:31,250 --> 01:30:33,340 给他们演场戏 告诉他们 You put on a show for them. You say, 1799 01:30:33,420 --> 01:30:36,720 "要么坐牢 要么配合我们 "Your guy can go to prison, or he can cooperate with us 1800 01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:38,800 争取减刑或缓刑 and do less time or some sort of probation 1801 01:30:38,890 --> 01:30:40,220 诸如此类 or something along those lines. 1802 01:30:40,300 --> 01:30:41,680 这就是我们的定罪证据" And here's how we're going to convict them." 1803 01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,900 证据多到能埋人 There was just an avalanche of evidence. 1804 01:30:48,980 --> 01:30:52,780 他们很快就认罪了 And very early on, they admitted their guilt, 1805 01:30:53,570 --> 01:30:58,070 供认参与共谋 admitted their involvement in the conspiracy 1806 01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:00,240 和犯罪行为 and in the criminal conduct. 1807 01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,540 他们的供述 The debriefings they did with were... 1808 01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:06,000 对我们的调查帮助极大 were hugely beneficial to our investigation. 1809 01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:09,630 我们掌握大量间接证据和文件 We had a lot of circumstantial evidence, a lot of documents. 1810 01:31:09,710 --> 01:31:11,790 他们让这些证据活了起来 And they were able to bring those to life. 1811 01:31:12,630 --> 01:31:15,130 但尼尔·克拉克可不吃这套 That's not how things went with Neil Clark. 1812 01:31:18,630 --> 01:31:22,430 与FBI的会面在2020年7月28日 The meeting with the FBI was on July 28th, 2020. 1813 01:31:23,930 --> 01:31:27,270 我强调自己从未接触过 I emphasized I never had any access 1814 01:31:27,350 --> 01:31:30,060 豪德勒相关实体的捐款人信息 to who contributed to any Householder entity. 1815 01:31:30,690 --> 01:31:33,230 结果探员突然发难 Then, like the strike of a cobra, 1816 01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:37,740 甩出82页起诉书 an agent flashes the 82-page charging document, 1817 01:31:37,820 --> 01:31:40,030 快速翻到某页质问 quickly opens it to a particular page, 1818 01:31:40,110 --> 01:31:42,700 "你不是说过 and demands, "Didn't you say, 1819 01:31:42,780 --> 01:31:46,330 '你可以开1万、1.5万、2万或2.5万支票 'You can write a 10, 15, 20, or $25,000 check 1820 01:31:46,450 --> 01:31:47,870 直接交给豪德勒'吗？" and hand it to Householder?'" 1821 01:31:48,250 --> 01:31:51,540 (克拉克) 1.5万、2万、2.5万都是常见数额 (CLARK) A noticeable number is 15, 20, $25,000. 1822 01:31:51,630 --> 01:31:52,670 (卧底) 钱去哪儿了？ (UNDERCOVER) And where does that go? 1823 01:31:52,750 --> 01:31:54,210 (克拉克) 进c4账户 (CLARK) Goes into a c4. 1824 01:31:54,340 --> 01:31:56,760 (克拉克) 支票开给"世代当下"组织 (CLARK) Well you would write a check to Gen Now, 1825 01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,010 (克拉克) 我们会在哥伦布市的饭局上 (CLARK) and we would hand-deliver the check 1826 01:31:59,090 --> 01:32:00,590 (克拉克) 亲手递送 (CLARK) at, maybe a dinner in Columbus. 1827 01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:02,850 (克拉克) 既然你现在穿得人模狗样了 (CLARK) Since you now dress up pretty nice. 1828 01:32:03,850 --> 01:32:06,220 (克拉克) 记住 他可是能从"银行"拿钱的人 (CLARK) Remember, he gets, he gets checks from "The Bank." 1829 01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:08,640 (克拉克) 我说过"银行"能拿出 (CLARK) Remember I've told you "The Bank" is, you know, 1830 01:32:08,730 --> 01:32:10,560 (克拉克) 一两百万美金 (CLARK) one and a half million dollars, two million dollars. 1831 01:32:10,690 --> 01:32:11,690 (卧底) 明白 (UNDERCOVER) Right. 1832 01:32:11,770 --> 01:32:13,440 (克拉克) 更重要的是面子 (CLARK) But it's also the respect. 1833 01:32:13,810 --> 01:32:17,610 我们掌握大量尼尔·克拉克的罪证 We had more evidence against Neil Clark 1834 01:32:17,690 --> 01:32:20,150 光凭电话窃听记录 just by the very nature of the fact 1835 01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:23,620 和卧底谈话内容 that Neil had been captured on wiretaps 1836 01:32:23,700 --> 01:32:25,740 就足够钉死他了 of his phone and had... 1837 01:32:27,410 --> 01:32:29,750 他向卧底透露的 provided an enormous amount of evidence to us 1838 01:32:29,830 --> 01:32:32,290 海量信息都是铁证 in his statements to the undercover agents. 1839 01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,800 会谈持续了四个半小时 The meeting lasted about four and a half hours. 1840 01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:40,220 他们说我掌握关键信息 I was informed my knowledge was substantial, 1841 01:32:40,300 --> 01:32:43,140 40年从业经验极具价值 that my 40 years was extremely valuable. 1842 01:32:43,220 --> 01:32:46,350 但想继续合作就得认罪 But to go any further, I would need to plead guilty. 1843 01:32:46,890 --> 01:32:50,060 我当场爆粗："做你妈的春秋大梦" "Well, that will never fucking happen," I said. 1844 01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:53,190 还指出他们案件的漏洞 And then pointed out the problems with their case. 1845 01:32:53,850 --> 01:32:56,110 他像做学术报告似的 It was almost like a dissertation 1846 01:32:56,190 --> 01:32:59,490 长篇大论解释 with Neil Clark telling us how, 1847 01:32:59,570 --> 01:33:01,450 由于"联合公民案"判决 because of Citizens United, 1848 01:33:01,530 --> 01:33:06,330 501(c)(4)组织是合法实体 and because that 501(c)(4)s were a legitimate entity 1849 01:33:06,410 --> 01:33:08,450 经国税局认证 created by the IRS, 1850 01:33:08,540 --> 01:33:10,910 他们的操作完全合法 that what they had done was perfectly fine 1851 01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,500 是我们搞错了 and not illegal, and that we had it wrong. 1852 01:33:16,210 --> 01:33:18,090 尼尔·克拉克的故事最耐人寻味 This is the part of the Neil Clark story 1853 01:33:18,170 --> 01:33:19,340 就是这点 that fascinated me. 1854 01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,050 他真心相信自己清白 He really did believe in his innocence 1855 01:33:22,130 --> 01:33:24,140 觉得"联合公民案" because he thought that Citizens United 1856 01:33:24,220 --> 01:33:26,140 是免死金牌 was his get-out-of-jail-free card. 1857 01:33:27,850 --> 01:33:30,850 他在窃听录音里反复强调 He said it over and over again in the wiretaps 1858 01:33:30,930 --> 01:33:33,350 自以为没人监听 when he thought no one was listening. 1859 01:33:34,150 --> 01:33:36,270 理论上是说你可以 The theory is that you can give 1860 01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,270 无限额捐赠黑钱 unlimited amounts of dark money 1861 01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:39,980 用于政治目的 for political purposes, 1862 01:33:40,070 --> 01:33:43,200 只要不直接给候选人 as long as you don't give it directly to a candidate, 1863 01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:47,870 而是给所谓独立组织 but instead you give it to a supposedly independent group 1864 01:33:47,950 --> 01:33:49,620 比如"世代当下" like Generation Now. 1865 01:33:52,660 --> 01:33:55,790 但秘密协调就像打个电话 But secret coordination is as easy as a phone call 1866 01:33:56,460 --> 01:33:58,040 或饭局闲聊那么简单 or chit-chat over dinner, 1867 01:33:58,630 --> 01:34:00,800 就像拉里·豪德勒 like the chatter between Larry Householder 1868 01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,800 和金主们的对话 and the people who wrote the checks on his behalf. 1869 01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:10,140 我决定用把"联合公民案" I decided to test Neil's theory with the man 1870 01:34:10,220 --> 01:34:12,850 送上最高法院的人来验证尼尔的理论： who took Citizens United to the Supreme Court: 1871 01:34:13,430 --> 01:34:14,480 吉姆·博普 Jim Bopp. 1872 01:34:17,020 --> 01:34:20,780 博普真认为企业能秘密提供 Did Bopp really think that the ability of corporations 1873 01:34:20,860 --> 01:34:24,150 无限额竞选资金 to give unlimited amounts of campaign cash in secret 1874 01:34:24,740 --> 01:34:26,740 不会导致腐败吗？ would not lead to corruption? 1875 01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:30,660 我反对搞虚假组织 I'm not for setting up phony things 1876 01:34:30,740 --> 01:34:34,370 让候选人变相拿钱 and still getting-- the candidate getting the money. 1877 01:34:34,460 --> 01:34:36,670 但怎么发现呢？我是说... But how do you discover that? I mean... 1878 01:34:36,750 --> 01:34:38,710 知道邻州俄亥俄 Are you familiar with the scandal in neighboring Ohio 1879 01:34:38,790 --> 01:34:40,540 -HB6法案的丑闻吗？ -related to HB6? -嗯 -Mm-hmm. 1880 01:34:40,630 --> 01:34:42,840 本案当局能发现犯罪 The only reason that the authorities in this case 1881 01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:44,260 纯属偶然 discovered the crime 1882 01:34:44,340 --> 01:34:46,680 他们碰巧在另个案子中 they just stumbled onto a series of wiretaps 1883 01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:49,180 截获了通话记录 that were being used for an entirely different case. 1884 01:34:50,220 --> 01:34:54,560 听着 我干法律这行50年了 You know what, I've been doing law for 50 years. 1885 01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:57,350 从没见过完美无缺的法律 And I found out that there's no perfect law 1886 01:34:57,440 --> 01:35:01,400 能解决所有潜在问题 that solves absolutely every potential problem 1887 01:35:01,480 --> 01:35:03,940 你指出的只是极少数案例 associated with a situation. 1888 01:35:04,030 --> 01:35:06,900 有特殊利益集团 What you have pointed out is a very rare instance 1889 01:35:06,990 --> 01:35:10,950 钻了空子 in which a special interest 1890 01:35:11,030 --> 01:35:13,040 exploited the situation. 1891 01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:15,960 独立支出是指 Independent expenditures is, 1892 01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:20,130 候选人之外的团体或个人 somebody other than a candidate, a group, okay, or an individual, 1893 01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:22,630 发布宣传材料 does a communication 1894 01:35:23,210 --> 01:35:25,840 支持或反对某候选人 that advocates the election or defeat of a candidate, 1895 01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,130 但需独立操作 but does it independently. 1896 01:35:28,220 --> 01:35:30,590 最高法院认为即便 The Supreme Court said even though 1897 01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:32,760 给候选人捐款 contributing to a candidate, 1898 01:35:33,390 --> 01:35:35,020 存在腐败隐患 there is a corruption concern 1899 01:35:35,930 --> 01:35:38,560 大额捐款可能 by large contributions to a candidate, 1900 01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:40,230 让官员产生依附心理 that they may feel beholden, 1901 01:35:41,230 --> 01:35:42,440 但独立支出不同 this is independent. 1902 01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:43,770 你不觉得 Do you think there is 1903 01:35:43,860 --> 01:35:45,860 这里存在隐患吗？ a legitimate concern in that regard? 1904 01:35:46,610 --> 01:35:49,860 取决于我早上起床时的心情 Depends on which side of the bed I get up on in the morning. 1905 01:35:49,950 --> 01:35:51,870 大额献金的话 For a large contribution, 1906 01:35:51,950 --> 01:35:53,530 我说的是真正的大钱 we're talking large contribution, 1907 01:35:53,620 --> 01:35:56,660 没六位数根本买不通人 you have to be in six figures to buy, really buy somebody. 1908 01:35:56,750 --> 01:35:59,620 所以你不会因此毁掉美国 So you don't destroy America, 1909 01:36:00,330 --> 01:36:03,210 我们的民主制度 and our democratic system, 1910 01:36:03,290 --> 01:36:08,670 以及自治政府 这种极端罕见的个例 and our self-government over a very, extremely rare example. 1911 01:36:09,510 --> 01:36:10,680 极其罕见 Extremely rare. 1912 01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:13,970 真的罕见吗？ Was it rare? 1913 01:36:15,100 --> 01:36:17,890 政客被窃听到吹嘘 收受6000万美元贿赂 It was rare that politicians got caught on wiretaps 1914 01:36:17,980 --> 01:36:21,190 这种情况确实罕见 bragging about getting a $60 million bribe. 1915 01:36:23,150 --> 01:36:25,650 但如果玩家们 But what if players 1916 01:36:25,730 --> 01:36:27,400 用暗号进行权钱交易呢？ made their pay-to-play deals with a wink and a nod? 1917 01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:31,910 我对吉姆漠视 I wondered about Jim's lack of concern 1918 01:36:31,990 --> 01:36:33,450 普遍腐败的态度 for pervasive corruption 1919 01:36:33,530 --> 01:36:36,950 及其对贿赂最低定价的计算 感到疑惑 and his calculation of a minimum price for graft. 1920 01:36:38,750 --> 01:36:40,790 我曾拍过关于 I once made a film about the disgraced lobbyist 1921 01:36:40,830 --> 01:36:42,210 落魄说客杰克·阿布拉莫夫的纪录片 Jack Abramoff. 1922 01:36:44,590 --> 01:36:46,420 我去监狱探访他时 When I visited him in prison, 1923 01:36:46,500 --> 01:36:48,460 他说了句让我永生难忘的话 he told me something I never forgot. 1924 01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:50,800 "亚历克斯"他说 "Alex," he said, 1925 01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:54,220 "我用一套音响就能收买个国会议员" "I can buy a congressman with a stereo." 1926 01:36:57,310 --> 01:36:59,980 在俄亥俄州 陪审团面临的问题是 In Ohio, the question for the jury 1927 01:37:00,060 --> 01:37:03,690 第一能源公司用6000万买了什么？ was what did FirstEnergy buy for $60 million? 1928 01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:08,690 你有多大把握？ How confident are ya? 1929 01:37:09,690 --> 01:37:11,990 我觉得胜算很大 真的 I feel pretty good about it. I do. 1930 01:37:12,820 --> 01:37:14,280 希望正义能得到伸张 Hopefully, justice will be done. 1931 01:37:17,620 --> 01:37:20,000 在所有涉及民选官员 In any public corruption case 1932 01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:23,290 或政府高官的贪腐案中 involving elected public officials, appointed public officials 1933 01:37:23,370 --> 01:37:26,380 他们往往被视为 that are in a very high position of government, 1934 01:37:26,460 --> 01:37:30,210 社区的栋梁 they are often seen as the pillars of the community. 1935 01:37:30,300 --> 01:37:32,050 他们魅力非凡 They have a lot of charisma, 1936 01:37:32,130 --> 01:37:37,560 而且总能请到顶尖律师辩护 and they often will have very good defense counsel representing them. 1937 01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:41,560 当所有事实真相 When all the actual facts are presented, 1938 01:37:42,270 --> 01:37:44,600 陪审团很快就能判断 it won't take long for a jury to determine 1939 01:37:44,690 --> 01:37:49,150 检方对我的指控 从一开始就是错的 that the prosecutors' case against me has been wrong from the start. 1940 01:37:49,230 --> 01:37:53,280 马特·博尔赫斯通过媒体抹黑我 Matt Borges was going on a PR campaign for himself 1941 01:37:53,900 --> 01:37:56,070 为自己做公关宣传 by just dogging me in the media. 1942 01:37:56,160 --> 01:38:00,080 你付给费尔曼15000美元 You paid Fehrman or offered Fehrman $15,000 1943 01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,120 作为获取内幕的贿赂 属实吗？ as a bribe for inside information. Is that true? 1944 01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:05,170 不 绝对子虚乌有 No. Unequivocally false. 1945 01:38:05,250 --> 01:38:06,750 他建了个网站 He published a website. 1946 01:38:06,830 --> 01:38:08,840 叫"博尔赫斯法律辩护基金" It was like the Borges Legal Defense Fund. 1947 01:38:09,550 --> 01:38:11,380 我认为必须确保 I think it's important to make sure that 1948 01:38:11,460 --> 01:38:13,130 事件的另一面 the other side of the story, 1949 01:38:13,220 --> 01:38:17,140 真相 能够公之于众 the truth of this story, gets out there, 1950 01:38:17,220 --> 01:38:18,930 而能讲述真相的只有我 and really the only person who can tell it is me. 1951 01:38:19,930 --> 01:38:22,730 在贪腐案件中 It's particularly important in corruption cases 1952 01:38:22,810 --> 01:38:24,810 展示被告不为人知的一面 to show the side of the defendant 1953 01:38:24,890 --> 01:38:26,060 至关重要 that you've learned about 1954 01:38:26,150 --> 01:38:28,020 可能是陪审团从未见过的 in the investigation that maybe not-- 1955 01:38:28,110 --> 01:38:31,190 与法庭所见截然不同的形象 may not be the same side that the jury has seen. 1956 01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:34,070 因为在这种案件中 Because in a situation like this, if you make these allegations 1957 01:38:34,150 --> 01:38:37,070 若指控缺乏证据支撑 and you can't back them up with the evidence at trial, 1958 01:38:37,740 --> 01:38:40,990 反而会助长腐败气焰 you know, there's a sense that it only emboldens corruption. 1959 01:38:41,870 --> 01:38:43,910 本州史上最大贪腐案 The largest corruption trial 1960 01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:45,750 今日开庭 in state history begins today. 1961 01:38:45,830 --> 01:38:48,380 霍斯霍尔德与博尔赫斯 Householder and Borges face the charge of racketeering 1962 01:38:48,460 --> 01:38:50,130 被控敲诈勒索 均坚称无罪 and have maintained their innocence. 1963 01:38:50,210 --> 01:38:53,590 若罪名成立将面临20年刑期 Both men face 20-year sentences if convicted. 1964 01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:57,720 庭审前夕 In the lead-up to the trial, 1965 01:38:58,470 --> 01:39:00,550 我只想尽快结束这一切 I remember thinking, I just want this to be done with. 1966 01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,890 我无比渴望解脱 Like, I just want it over so bad. 1967 01:39:03,970 --> 01:39:07,100 走进法庭时 It was a very surreal experience 1968 01:39:07,190 --> 01:39:10,610 看到马特·博尔赫斯和拉里·霍斯霍尔德 walking into that room, seeing these two guys, 1969 01:39:10,690 --> 01:39:12,360 那种感觉超现实 Matt Borges and Larry Householder, 1970 01:39:12,440 --> 01:39:14,650 自从事发后首次重逢 for the first time since all of this happened, 1971 01:39:14,740 --> 01:39:17,860 我曾如此惧怕他们 who I had been so scared of. 1972 01:39:18,450 --> 01:39:21,280 站上证人席重述一切 And then getting up on the stand and recounting all of it. 1973 01:39:24,330 --> 01:39:28,830 当马特的律师开始盘问我 When Matt's attorneys got up to cross-examine me, 1974 01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:30,960 很明显他们唯一目的 it became very clear their entire goal 1975 01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:33,210 就是彻底摧毁我的人格 was literally just to try and destroy my character. 1976 01:39:33,710 --> 01:39:37,340 他问我是否出卖所有朋友 He asked if I... if I sell all of my friends down the river. 1977 01:39:37,420 --> 01:39:41,100 是否把所有朋友都举报给FBI He asked if I report all of my friends to the FBI. 1978 01:39:41,180 --> 01:39:43,560 几位我信任的人 I had a few people that I trust a lot 1979 01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:46,430 事先提醒过我 just remind me beforehand, say things like, 1980 01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:48,100 "他们会盯着你 "They're going to look at you. 1981 01:39:48,190 --> 01:39:50,400 别躲闪 直视他们 Don't look away. Lock eyes. 1982 01:39:50,480 --> 01:39:52,860 你是为正义而来" Like, you are there for the right reasons." 1983 01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:56,280 这是最耗神的经历 It was the most exhausting experience. 1984 01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:59,820 当时你并不确定 他们是否得到所需证据 And at that point, you don't know if they got what they needed. 1985 01:39:59,910 --> 01:40:02,490 -早上好 霍斯霍尔德先生 -Good morning, Mr. Householder. -早安 -Good morning. 1986 01:40:02,570 --> 01:40:04,330 你认为在陪审团面前作证 Do you think testifying in front of the jury 1987 01:40:04,410 --> 01:40:05,700 对案情有帮助吗？ is going to help your case? 1988 01:40:06,410 --> 01:40:08,160 希望如此 Well, I would hope so. It's the first opportunity 1989 01:40:08,250 --> 01:40:10,460 这是我两年半来首次发声 I've had in two and a half years to talk, so I can't wait. 1990 01:40:10,540 --> 01:40:12,170 今天会是个好日子 Today's gonna be a great day. 1991 01:40:13,130 --> 01:40:15,170 拉里·霍斯霍尔德决定 Larry Householder decided to take the stand 1992 01:40:15,250 --> 01:40:16,550 亲自出庭作证 in his own defense. 1993 01:40:17,670 --> 01:40:20,180 这是个非常冒险的举动 And that was a-- that was a big, risky move. 1994 01:40:20,260 --> 01:40:22,220 他回答己方律师提问时 He answers all these questions from his own lawyer, 1995 01:40:22,300 --> 01:40:23,720 都是些简单问题 kind of softballs. 1996 01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:25,140 而且 你知道的 And, you know, 1997 01:40:25,220 --> 01:40:28,180 他很有魅力 he was very charming. 1998 01:40:28,270 --> 01:40:30,270 陪审员们似乎很感兴趣 And I think the jurors were kinda interested to hear like, 1999 01:40:30,350 --> 01:40:31,850 "这就是我们盯了两周的家伙" "Oh, you know, here's the guy we've been staring at 2000 01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:36,820 艾米丽·格拉特费尔特 Emily Glatfelter did 2001 01:40:36,900 --> 01:40:39,570 在交叉质询中表现出色 really a tremendous job on cross-examination, 2002 01:40:39,650 --> 01:40:42,280 揭穿了他的谎言 exposing him and exposing his lies. 2003 01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:46,790 她几乎背下了 She had nearly memorized all 900 exhibits 2004 01:40:46,870 --> 01:40:50,460 900份证据 逐条拆穿他的说辞 and just dismantled his claims one by one by one. 2005 01:40:51,460 --> 01:40:54,170 当他说去看了世界大赛 When he said that he went to the World Series game, 2006 01:40:54,250 --> 01:40:55,880 她问"你是专程 she says, "Well, were you there purposely 2007 01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:58,050 去见第一能源CEO的吗？" to meet the CEO of FirstEnergy?" 2008 01:40:58,130 --> 01:41:00,050 他说"不是" And he says, "No." She said, "Well, how did you end up 2009 01:41:00,130 --> 01:41:03,220 那怎么会在世界大赛 坐在第一能源的包厢？" in the FirstEnergy suite at the World Series?" 2010 01:41:03,890 --> 01:41:06,100 丝毫不给他狡辩余地 Just didn't take any baloney from him. 2011 01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:09,560 最终陪审团仅用九小时 In the end, it only took the jurors like nine hours 2012 01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:13,270 两天内就作出了有罪判决 over two days to come back with guilty verdicts. 2013 01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:16,270 陪审团裁定前众议院议长 The jury found former House Speaker Larry Householder 2014 01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:18,730 与前共和党主席马特·博尔赫斯 and former GOP head Matt Borges guilty. 2015 01:41:18,820 --> 01:41:21,070 陪审团已完成使命作出裁决 The jury did its work and made its verdict. 2016 01:41:21,150 --> 01:41:23,030 我们将研究后续上诉方案 And we'll see what our options are moving forward 2017 01:41:23,110 --> 01:41:24,110 再作打算 and go from there. 2018 01:41:25,450 --> 01:41:27,580 如果上诉成功 If you win on appeal, 2019 01:41:27,660 --> 01:41:30,120 你打算做什么？重返政坛吗？ what do you do at that point? Get back into politics? 2020 01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:33,290 哦 还没想那么远 Oh, I don't know about that. I have no idea. 2021 01:41:33,370 --> 01:41:35,290 我对判决结果很意外 I was surprised by the verdict, 2022 01:41:35,380 --> 01:41:37,420 所以还没考虑那么远 so I haven't thought that far ahead. 2023 01:41:37,500 --> 01:41:38,670 为何意外？ Why were you surprised? 2024 01:41:38,750 --> 01:41:40,420 因为我是清白的 Oh, 'cause I'm not guilty. 2025 01:41:41,380 --> 01:41:44,470 博尔赫斯被判五年监禁 Mr. Borges was sentenced to five years' imprisonment. 2026 01:41:44,550 --> 01:41:47,600 霍斯霍尔德获刑20年 And Householder was sentenced to 20 years, 2027 01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:49,810 顶格量刑 so he received the maximum sentence. 2028 01:41:54,310 --> 01:41:56,360 拉里·霍斯霍尔德长期 Larry Householder pulled the wool over 2029 01:41:56,440 --> 01:41:58,360 以朴实乡下人形象 a lot of people's eyes for a long time 2030 01:41:58,440 --> 01:42:00,820 蒙骗了许多人 as this, like, down-to-earth country guy. 2031 01:42:01,610 --> 01:42:04,030 但暗地里 But in the background, the entire time 2032 01:42:04,110 --> 01:42:06,950 他在哥伦布市 he's walking around Columbus with more money 2033 01:42:07,030 --> 01:42:10,540 始终手握最多金钱与权力 and more power than anyone else. 2034 01:42:16,250 --> 01:42:18,340 我已不再是共和党注册党员 I am no longer a registered Republican. 2035 01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:22,460 我从俄亥俄搬到了明尼苏达 I moved from Ohio to Minnesota. 2036 01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:26,010 我需要改变 想离开俄亥俄 I needed a change. I wanted to get out of Ohio. 2037 01:42:26,090 --> 01:42:27,800 我想逃离 I wanted to get away. 2038 01:42:27,890 --> 01:42:30,600 不想再当"第6号法案当事人" I don't like being "House Bill 6 guy." 2039 01:42:31,100 --> 01:42:35,190 在明尼苏达圣保罗 没人知道我是谁 And in Saint Paul, Minnesota, I'm not House Bill 6 guy. 2040 01:42:35,270 --> 01:42:39,110 我只是个教小朋友 I'm the bald ginger who coaches T-ball 2041 01:42:39,190 --> 01:42:40,730 打T-ball的光头红胡子 for a whole bunch of little kids. 2042 01:42:42,900 --> 01:42:47,110 我无法想象若当初答应马特·博尔赫斯 I can't imagine saying yes to Matt Borges initially 2043 01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:49,530 日后该如何直视 and then trying to look my daughter 2044 01:42:49,620 --> 01:42:51,830 女儿或儿子的眼睛 or my son in the eye someday 2045 01:42:52,910 --> 01:42:55,410 谈论正直与品格 and talk about integrity. Talk about character. 2046 01:42:55,500 --> 01:42:57,370 我无法面对那样的自己 I don't think I could live with myself. 2047 01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,000 但整个政界 But there's like a whole political world out there 2048 01:43:02,090 --> 01:43:03,420 都靠黑钱运作 that runs on dark money, 2049 01:43:03,510 --> 01:43:05,970 类似勾当时刻都在发生 and they're getting away with stuff like that all the time. 2050 01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:13,470 霍斯霍尔德与博尔赫斯定罪一年后 A year after Householder and Borges were convicted, 2051 01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:16,310 本案又有新刑事起诉 there were more criminal indictments in the case, 2052 01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:19,610 包括俄亥俄公用事业委员会主席 including the head of the Public Utility Commission 2053 01:43:19,690 --> 01:43:21,770 及两名第一能源高管 and two executives from FirstEnergy. 2054 01:43:23,980 --> 01:43:26,490 第6号法案通过后 After the passage of HB6, 2055 01:43:26,570 --> 01:43:28,360 他们传阅过一条短信 they had passed around a text chain 2056 01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:31,870 把各自头像PS到总统山上 with their faces photoshopped on Mount Rushmore. 2057 01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:35,950 "去他妈的局外人" "Fuck anybody who ain't us." 2058 01:43:40,420 --> 01:43:42,500 若没有c4组织 Could FirstEnergy have done what they did 2059 01:43:42,590 --> 01:43:43,710 第一能源能得逞吗？ without a c4? 2060 01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:45,630 -绝无可能 -Absolutely impossible. -为何？ -Why? 2061 01:43:45,710 --> 01:43:49,590 我职业生涯大半都在调查锡纳罗亚贩毒集团 So I spent a lot of my career working against the Sinaloa Cartel. 2062 01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:53,060 他们为了转移区区几十万美金... And the lengths they go through just to send, you know, 2063 01:43:53,140 --> 01:43:55,100 ...洗钱？简直费尽心机。 a couple hundred thousand dollars... 2064 01:43:55,180 --> 01:43:58,060 相比之下这简直不费吹灰之力。 ...launder that? It's complete effort. 2065 01:43:58,140 --> 01:43:59,850 对吧？这多轻松。 Right? This was effortless. 2066 01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:02,770 用黑钱组织C4s洗钱？ Using c4s, dark money, right? 2067 01:44:02,860 --> 01:44:08,070 这可是低风险高回报的买卖。 It is a low-risk, high-yield endeavor. 2068 01:44:08,150 --> 01:44:11,700 黑钱案件能定罪的凤毛麟角， I mean, it's really rare that you see any kind of prosecution 2069 01:44:11,780 --> 01:44:13,660 毕竟大多数时候， having to do with dark money, 'cause, 2070 01:44:13,740 --> 01:44:14,910 根本没人知道 for the most part, 2071 01:44:14,990 --> 01:44:16,950 钱在哪儿 nobody knows where it is 2072 01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:18,290 有多少钱。 and how much there is. 2073 01:44:18,370 --> 01:44:19,920 -我们纯属走运，记得吗？ -Right. -We got lucky, remember? 2074 01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:21,540 瞎猫碰上死耗子。 We got lucky and we stumbled into it. 2075 01:44:21,630 --> 01:44:26,380 光追查资金根本找不到。 We wouldn't have found it by just chasing the money. 2076 01:44:26,460 --> 01:44:29,680 我骨子里是个自由主义者， I got some pretty robust libertarian leanings 2077 01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:32,260 理解匿名言论自由， and I get the idea of anonymous speech. 2078 01:44:32,340 --> 01:44:34,850 也懂个人匿名捐款的意义。 I get the idea of anonymous donations 2079 01:44:34,930 --> 01:44:36,930 但为什么要给工会和企业 for individuals, for humans. 2080 01:44:37,020 --> 01:44:42,690 搞秘密游说免税机制？ But why did we think it wise to create a secret lobbying, 2081 01:44:42,770 --> 01:44:48,110 这能不出乱子吗？ tax-free mechanism for unions and corporations? 2082 01:44:48,190 --> 01:44:49,950 我是说，这还能有好？ I mean, what could possibly go wrong, right? 2083 01:44:52,740 --> 01:44:55,700 最高法院最近的判决 A number of recent decisions from the Supreme Court 2084 01:44:55,780 --> 01:44:57,540 让腐败政客更难被查处， have made it increasingly difficult 2085 01:44:57,620 --> 01:45:00,750 他们把贿赂定义缩窄到 to detect and prosecute corrupt politicians 2086 01:45:00,830 --> 01:45:03,040 除非像卡通片里那样 by narrowing the definition of bribery 2087 01:45:03,130 --> 01:45:06,170 拎着现金袋交易才算数。 to nothing less than a cartoonish exchange of favors 2088 01:45:06,250 --> 01:45:07,670 for a bag of cash. 2089 01:45:11,220 --> 01:45:13,510 拉里·豪斯霍尔德和第一能源公司 Larry Householder and FirstEnergy 2090 01:45:13,590 --> 01:45:16,100 要不是又莽又倒霉 had to be both extraordinarily reckless 2091 01:45:16,180 --> 01:45:18,180 根本不会被抓。 and unlucky to get caught. 2092 01:45:19,850 --> 01:45:22,520 但他们的犯罪行为 But the line between their criminal behavior 2093 01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:25,360 和常规操作仅一线之隔。 and business as usual is paper-thin. 2094 01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:32,900 通过政治献金和法院操作， Through campaign donations and sympathetic courts, 2095 01:45:32,990 --> 01:45:35,620 权贵们几乎把贿赂合法化了 powerful interests have virtually legalized bribery 2096 01:45:35,700 --> 01:45:37,280 美其名曰"言论自由"。 by calling it free speech. 2097 01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:42,000 但这种"言论自由"很特别 But it's a peculiar kind of free speech 2098 01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:46,040 昂贵、有影响力还匿名。 that's expensive, influential, and anonymous. 2099 01:45:47,460 --> 01:45:48,880 他们可以说这是肮脏政治 They can call it dirty politics 2100 01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:50,300 爱怎么叫都行， if that's what they want to call it, 2101 01:45:50,380 --> 01:45:53,550 实则是在挖民主墙角。 but it's really just undercutting democracy. 2102 01:45:53,630 --> 01:45:55,970 民主制度的根基 The foundations of our democracy 2103 01:45:56,050 --> 01:45:59,470 在于透明和问责。 and a functioning democracy are transparency, accountability. 2104 01:46:00,060 --> 01:46:03,140 必须有所制衡。 And so there needs to be some sort of balance. 2105 01:46:03,850 --> 01:46:07,190 历史证明当民选官员 History has shown it's a recipe for disaster 2106 01:46:07,770 --> 01:46:11,030 与富豪利益集团勾连 when you have elected public officials 2107 01:46:11,570 --> 01:46:16,870 贪婪腐败就会泛滥成灾。 who deal with very, very wealthy business interests. 2108 01:46:17,450 --> 01:46:21,290 可惜啊，贪腐贿赂 Unfortunately, greed, graft, 2109 01:46:21,370 --> 01:46:23,790 总是占据上风。 corruption, and bribery take over. 2110 01:46:24,330 --> 01:46:29,420 恐怕这个案子不是特例 I fear that this particular case is not an aberration 2111 01:46:29,500 --> 01:46:31,670 而是冰山一角。 and is not a one-off example. 2112 01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:39,600 2024大选期间， During the 2024 campaign season, 2113 01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:43,850 45亿美元流入超级PAC和C4组织。 $4.5 billion flowed into super PACs and c4s. 2114 01:46:44,430 --> 01:46:47,190 但这可不是独立支出。 But these weren't independent expenditures. 2115 01:46:48,650 --> 01:46:50,770 赞助集会广告的富豪们 In exchange for rallies and ad buys, 2116 01:46:50,860 --> 01:46:53,190 都要索取回报。 the donors wanted something in return. 2117 01:46:55,150 --> 01:46:59,160 民主党人里德·霍夫曼为哈里斯砸700万 Democrat Reid Hoffman put up $7 million for Kamala Harris. 2118 01:46:59,910 --> 01:47:03,330 转头就要求她炒掉FTC主席莉娜·汗 Then he asked her to fire Lina Khan, the FTC chair. 2119 01:47:04,040 --> 01:47:06,370 接管吧埃隆！直接接管！ Take over, Elon! Just take over! 2120 01:47:06,420 --> 01:47:09,380 再看MAGA共和党的埃隆·马斯克 Then there was MAGA Republican Elon Musk. 2121 01:47:09,460 --> 01:47:12,920 如各位所见，我不止MAGA，是暗黑MAGA As you can see, I'm not just MAGA. I'm dark MAGA. 2122 01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:15,380 他的超级PAC豪掷2.5亿 His super PAC spent $250 million 2123 01:47:15,470 --> 01:47:16,840 助选特朗普。 to elect Donald Trump. 2124 01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:20,470 特朗普当即许诺他政府职位。 Then, Trump offered Musk a position in government. 2125 01:47:21,050 --> 01:47:22,810 算上联邦合同、股价波动 Between that, federal contracts, 2126 01:47:22,890 --> 01:47:25,640 和政策调整 stock rises, and changes in government regulation, 2127 01:47:25,730 --> 01:47:30,400 马斯克企业稳赚超千亿。 Musk's enterprises stood to pocket well over $100 billion. 2128 01:47:32,150 --> 01:47:36,110 这和权钱交易有什么区别？ How exactly are these campaign deals not quid pro quo? 2129 01:47:37,740 --> 01:47:41,280 "联合公民案"之后 After Citizens United, just what is the difference 2130 01:47:41,370 --> 01:47:44,490 政治献金与贿赂的界限在哪？ between a campaign contribution and a bribe? 2131 01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:47,620 两党都缺乏改革意愿 There's no political will 2132 01:47:47,710 --> 01:47:50,710 因为政客们 for either side to change it because politicians, 2133 01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:52,130 无论民主党共和党 Democrats and Republicans, 2134 01:47:52,210 --> 01:47:55,420 都靠黑钱赚得盆满钵满。 benefit immensely from dark money. 2135 01:47:57,340 --> 01:47:59,680 俄亥俄案中的违法行为 The legal version of what happened in Ohio 2136 01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:01,340 每天都在合法上演。 goes on every day. 2137 01:48:02,510 --> 01:48:05,560 最高法院称之为言论自由。 The Supreme Court calls it free speech. 2138 01:48:06,770 --> 01:48:09,600 权贵赚得盆满钵满时 But while it's profitable for the backroom players, 2139 01:48:09,690 --> 01:48:11,980 普通民众却要承受 average citizens pay a heavy price 2140 01:48:13,020 --> 01:48:14,820 劫贫济富政策 when they have to live with policies 2141 01:48:14,900 --> 01:48:16,230 带来的恶果。 that take from the poor 2142 01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:17,780 and give to the rich. 2143 01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:23,370 我们都对政治腐败心知肚明 It's true that we're all cynical about political corruption. 2144 01:48:25,830 --> 01:48:28,910 但也没人真喜欢贿赂。 It's also true that nobody likes a bribe. 2145 01:48:31,750 --> 01:48:34,750 我在想，尽管监听录音里 I wondered if, despite all the chatter on the wiretaps 2146 01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:38,550 都说"联合公民案"是免死金牌 about how Citizens United was some sort of free pass, 2147 01:48:39,340 --> 01:48:42,010 涉案者是否心知肚明 if those involved in the case knew deep down 2148 01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:44,970 自己干的是脏活？ that what they were doing was wrong. 2149 01:48:47,430 --> 01:48:50,730 被起诉后不久， Shortly after his indictment, Sam Randazzo, 2150 01:48:50,810 --> 01:48:53,650 俄亥俄公用事业委员会主席萨姆·兰达佐 the head of the Ohio Public Utility Commission, 2151 01:48:53,730 --> 01:48:57,820 在仓库上吊自杀。 committed suicide by hanging himself in a warehouse. 2152 01:49:01,820 --> 01:49:05,030 这让我重新思考自杀之谜。 That took me back to the mystery of suicide. 2153 01:49:07,950 --> 01:49:10,870 我们无法确知原因， We can't pretend to know why it happens, 2154 01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:13,540 但似乎印证了人性矛盾 but it does seem to me that there's something about it 2155 01:49:13,630 --> 01:49:15,710 终究无法调和—— that speaks to human contradictions 2156 01:49:15,790 --> 01:49:17,340 that can't be resolved. 2157 01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:22,340 他人评价与自我认知的落差， The difference between how others judge us 2158 01:49:22,430 --> 01:49:24,050 理想自我与现实人格的鸿沟。 and how we judge ourselves. 2159 01:49:25,550 --> 01:49:29,350 The difference between who we imagine ourselves to be 2160 01:49:29,430 --> 01:49:30,810 and who we are. 2161 01:49:34,690 --> 01:49:37,110 这就说回尼尔·克拉克。 That brings us back to Neil Clark. 2162 01:49:41,900 --> 01:49:44,030 他自认是好人， He believed he was a good guy, 2163 01:49:44,110 --> 01:49:46,700 却深陷腐败系统。 even as he was part of a bad system. 2164 01:49:48,620 --> 01:49:50,370 这才是关键问题。 That's the big question for us. 2165 01:49:50,950 --> 01:49:52,620 当罪行发生时， When crimes are committed, 2166 01:49:52,750 --> 01:49:54,870 到底是几个烂苹果， are they the acts of bad apples 2167 01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:57,250 还是整个桶都馊了？ or evidence of a rotten barrel? 2168 01:49:58,550 --> 01:50:01,880 遗体发现时他穿着迈克·德温的应援T恤 When his body was found, he was wearing a Mike DeWine t-shirt. 2169 01:50:01,970 --> 01:50:03,220 你怎么看？ What do you make of that? 2170 01:50:03,300 --> 01:50:04,510 我不想评论 I'm not going to comment on, 2171 01:50:04,590 --> 01:50:06,180 正在调查的细节。 you know, ongoing investigations and things. 2172 01:50:06,260 --> 01:50:08,600 但他确实穿着州长T恤。 But, yes, he was wearing a Mike DeWine t-shirt. 2173 01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:10,810 他声称德温州长收受 He claims that Governor DeWine agreed 2174 01:50:10,890 --> 01:50:14,190 第一能源公司500万政治献金。 to accept a $5 million contribution from FirstEnergy. 2175 01:50:14,270 --> 01:50:16,480 这个我不便讨论。 I'm not going to get into that, yeah. 2176 01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:21,820 他在书里多次提到... I think he made reference, multiple times in his book... 2177 01:50:26,070 --> 01:50:27,740 关于州长 about the governor, 2178 01:50:27,820 --> 01:50:30,870 与权钱交易 and the governor's involvement... 2179 01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:36,000 和第6号法案的关联。 with pay-to-play and with House Bill 6. 2180 01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:37,830 他甚至在书里 I think he even, in his book, 2181 01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:42,960 详细写了第一能源 talks about how many millions of dollars he believes 2182 01:50:43,050 --> 01:50:46,800 通过关联机构 was sent from FirstEnergy and/or its affiliates 2183 01:50:46,890 --> 01:50:50,600 向州长关联黑钱组织输送数百万。 to dark money groups affiliated with the governor. 2184 01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:53,810 由于生活境遇 For whatever reason, due to his circumstances in life, 2185 01:50:53,890 --> 01:50:55,560 性格使然... due to his... 2186 01:50:58,980 --> 01:51:00,110 他最终 his personality, 2187 01:51:00,190 --> 01:51:03,030 选择结束生命，这很复杂。 he ultimately took his life, which is a very complex issue. 2188 01:51:03,110 --> 01:51:06,740 被告去世后 When a defendant passes away, 2189 01:51:06,820 --> 01:51:10,870 我们会撤销指控。 we file a notice to have the charges against them dismissed. 2190 01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:13,700 所以对他的指控 So, the charges against him, 2191 01:51:13,790 --> 01:51:16,410 就此终结。 the case against him, ended at that point. 2192 01:51:16,500 --> 01:51:18,170 你跑州议会新闻时 Had you run across Neil Clark 2193 01:51:18,250 --> 01:51:20,040 接触过尼尔吗？ in the years you covered the statehouse? 2194 01:51:20,130 --> 01:51:21,710 当然，经常聊。 Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I-- You know, I talked to him on the regular. 2195 01:51:24,050 --> 01:51:25,090 是啊。 Yeah. 2196 01:51:26,590 --> 01:51:28,390 尼尔生前一直在写 Neil had been working on this memoir 2197 01:51:28,470 --> 01:51:30,890 游说生涯回忆录。 of his lobbying days for a long time. 2198 01:51:31,850 --> 01:51:33,390 去世前未能出版。 It did not publish before he died. 2199 01:51:33,470 --> 01:51:35,560 遗孀后来发行的 His wife published it after his death. 2200 01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:38,230 非常"尼尔风"—— It's like-- it's like pure Neil Clark. 2201 01:51:38,310 --> 01:51:42,070 充满劲爆八卦和趣闻。 You know? It's full of juicy gossip, funny stories. 2202 01:51:45,070 --> 01:51:47,490 典型的尼尔作风。 Yeah. Classic Neil. 2203 01:51:48,070 --> 01:51:50,530 照片里他还系着美钞图案背带。 Yeah, he's wearing suspenders with dollar bills on them. 2204 01:51:56,120 --> 01:51:59,080 从我踏进州议会第一天 From the first day I walked into the statehouse, 2205 01:51:59,170 --> 01:52:02,130 这里就是权钱交易的腐败之地。 it was already a corrupt, pay-to-play state. 2206 01:52:03,380 --> 01:52:07,050 四十年来 And over the last 40 years, 2207 01:52:08,220 --> 01:52:11,590 我没见过一个清官 I saw no saints. All put power, self-interest, and greed 2208 01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:13,600 都把私利置于民众之上。 before the interests of Ohioans. 2209 01:52:16,850 --> 01:52:20,440 这本书不仅是我的生平 This book is not only the story of my life, 2210 01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:22,060 更是我的自辩书。 it is my defense. 2211 01:52:25,110 --> 01:52:26,820 了解我的人 If you know me, 2212 01:52:27,530 --> 01:52:28,780 知我结局。 you know my end. 2213 01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:31,490 请尊重它。 Respect it. 2214 01:52:33,410 --> 01:52:37,040 若在永恒中见我拔剑 And if you see me in eternity with my sword drawn, 2215 01:52:37,660 --> 01:52:38,960 赶紧逃吧。 just run. 2216 01:52:39,960 --> 01:52:42,420 不信我决心的人 For those who don't believe my resolve, 2217 01:52:42,500 --> 01:52:44,130 给我舔鞋 suck my dick 2218 01:52:44,210 --> 01:52:45,800 且看下回分解。 and see the next page. 01:53:51,210 --> 01:56:45,800 故事梗概 《黑暗金钱：俄亥俄州的政治腐败》揭露了美国俄亥俄州历史上最大的贿赂案，围绕前州众议院议长拉里·豪斯霍尔德（Larry Householder）及其盟友通过“黑钱”（dark money）操纵立法、收受贿赂的阴谋。核心事件是豪斯霍尔德与能源公司FirstEnergy勾结，通过非营利组织“Generation Now”收受6100万美元贿赂，推动HB6法案通过，为该公司的核电站提供13亿美元政府补贴。调查由FBI主导，通过线人、卧底和窃听揭露腐败网络，最终豪斯霍尔德及其同谋被判刑，但案件暴露了美国政治中“黑钱”和选区划分（gerrymandering）对民主的侵蚀。 主题 ​​政治腐败与黑钱​​：通过501(c)(4)组织掩盖贿赂，揭示“合法腐败”的漏洞。 ​​民主制度的危机​​：选区划分和黑钱导致民意被扭曲，少数利益集团操控政策。 ​​个人与系统的冲突​​：游说者尼尔·克拉克（Neil Clark）等人在腐败体系中的挣扎与自我辩护。 思维导图 政治腐败 ├─ 核心机制：黑钱（501(c)(4)）→ 无披露捐款 → 贿赂合法化 ├─ 关键法案：HB6法案 → FirstEnergy核电站补贴 ├─ 势力网络 │ ├─ 政客：豪斯霍尔德、州长迈克·德温（Mike DeWine） │ ├─ 企业：FirstEnergy（“The Bank”） │ ├─ 游说者：尼尔·克拉克、马特·博尔赫斯（Matt Borges） │ └─ 执法：FBI、检察官 └─ 后果：选举操纵、民意失效、自杀事件（克拉克等） 剧本结构 ​​序幕​​（00:01:00 - 00:03:50） 尼尔·克拉克的独白：“马基雅维利是个懦夫”，暗示政治黑暗。 他的自杀悬念：身穿州长T恤、头部中弹，留下回忆录和视频日记。 ​​腐败体系曝光​​（00:03:50 - 00:20:00） ​​公民联合案（Citizens United）​​：最高法院判决允许企业无限制政治捐款，催生“黑钱”。 ​​俄亥俄州选区划分​​：共和党通过“gerrymandering”确保多数席位，无视选民意愿。 ​​HB6法案与贿赂​​（00:20:00 - 00:45:00） 豪斯霍尔德与FirstEnergy密谋：通过“Generation Now”洗钱，资助竞选以换取HB6通过。 ​​关键场景​​：豪斯霍尔德与卧底晚餐（01:16:00），承认“银行”（FirstEnergy）的巨额资金支持。 ​​反抗与调查​​（00:45:00 - 01:20:00） 环保团体和市民发起公投反对HB6，遭豪斯霍尔德团队打压（贿赂签名收集者、威胁对手）。 FBI线人泰勒·费尔曼（Tyler Fehrman）录音博尔赫斯的贿赂企图（01:12:00）。 ​​审判与结局​​（01:20:00 - 01:50:00） 豪斯霍尔德被判20年，博尔赫斯5年；FirstEnergy高管被起诉。 ​​悲剧尾声​​：克拉克自杀，留下未出版的回忆录《我的辩护》。 人物关系 人物 角色 关联事件 拉里·豪斯霍尔德 州众议院议长 主导HB6法案，收受FirstEnergy贿赂 尼尔·克拉克 游说者“黑暗王子” 豪斯霍尔德的中间人，自杀 马特·博尔赫斯 共和党前主席 贿赂线人费尔曼，被判刑 FirstEnergy高管 贿赂方 通过“Generation Now”输送资金 泰勒·费尔曼 FBI线人 录音博尔赫斯，关键证人 主要冲突 ​​权力与法律的冲突​​：豪斯霍尔德利用立法权换取贿赂，FBI试图用法律制裁。 ​​民意与腐败的冲突​​：市民抗议HB6和选区划分，但腐败网络压制民意。 ​​个人道德困境​​：克拉克在回忆录中辩解自己“只是体制的一部分”。 核心矛盾 ​​“合法腐败”与民主的悖论​​： 公民联合案允许黑钱，但实际导致贿赂横行。 豪斯霍尔德辩称“这是政治常态”，FBI认为“这是犯罪”。 关键机构与势力 ​​Generation Now​​：豪斯霍尔德的501(c)(4)组织，洗钱6100万美元。 ​​FirstEnergy​​：能源巨头，通过贿赂获取补贴。 ​​俄亥俄州共和党​​：利用选区划分和黑钱维持权力。 关键冲突场景 ​​卧底晚餐​​（01:16:00） 豪斯霍尔德向卧底炫耀：“银行（FirstEnergy）给我们钱，这是游戏规则。” ​​费尔曼的录音​​（01:12:00） 博尔赫斯提出1.5万美元贿赂：“别告诉任何人，否则对你不利。” ​​法庭对决​​（01:40:00） 检察官用豪斯霍尔德的录音证据：“你承认这是贿赂吗？” 总结 纪录片通过俄亥俄州腐败案，揭露美国政治中黑钱和权力交易的系统性危机。尼尔·克拉克的自杀成为腐败代价的象征，而豪斯霍尔德的定罪则是对“合法腐败”的有限胜利。影片最终质问：当法律与利益勾结，民主是否只是幻影？